1axbycz1 Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 [hv=d=n&s=s942ht8d8765cqt53]133|100|[/hv] the bidding went 1♠-2♦-p(too weak for 2♠)-3♣-p-3n all pass on this deal i was sitting north playing declarer, but i thought this problem is worth taking a look from the defense. edit: i was sitting east. not north. sorry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 The way you posed the problem north was dealer, opened 1S and ended up defending. Anyway, I would lead the spade 2 and I don't think there is any alternative. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 Partner must have 4+♥, so ♥T is in fact an alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 I don't think partner must have 4+ hearts (overcaller can have 3451 shape and advancer 2416 shape for example). Maybe the heart 10 is a viable alternative though, I didn't give it enough thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 I don't think partner must have 4+ hearts (overcaller can have 3451 shape and advancer 2416 shape for example). Maybe the heart 10 is a viable alternative though, I didn't give it enough thought. Wouldn't overcaller bid 3♥ in that case? There's still room for his partner to bid 3♠ as a stopper ask, so it's safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 2♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1axbycz1 Posted October 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 ok. the all of you got the answer. my opps led the 9♠, kind of a "standard lead" which is meant to tell partner he had no honors. However, it promoted my 8♠ into a stopper. alright. the calls are kind of ambiguous, and i played this deal quite some time ago, where my skills were kind of weak. The entire deal:[hv=n=saj763hj753dak3c9&w=sqthkq64d4ckj8762&e=sk85ha92dqjt92ca4&s=s942ht8d8765cqt53]399|300|[/hv] To think back, my 2♦ bid is actually questionable, so is my partner's 3♣. My 3n bid was based on the fact that i believe my A♣ will help in running the suit, and most importantly, stopper in ♠s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 3C is not questionable imo, and neither was 3NT. It is a game I would like to reach. I don't mind the 2D bid either, decent hand and good fillers in the diamond suit. I would lead the 9 if had a doubleton, the 2 when I have 3. It's that easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1axbycz1 Posted October 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 Ok. So that's your standard leads. Is that your general standrad lead, or do you only lead that if playing partner's suit? My opps play high from xxx as their standard lead. Also, when I learn about signalling, something that I have failed at understanding: when can a spot card be used as a signal, and when can it not? I know that signalling is less important than winning tricks. If I suspect that the card is needed, I do not make that discard. However, how I have made mistakes by discarding 8s and 9s, and once a 6, without even suspecting that I would need it. How do I determine if it is neccessary? If this is a question that is too tough for B/I, please let me know. If I change the deal slightly, swapping the ♠4 with partner's ♦3, would you still lead the ♠2? I know very well that on this deal that the contract is now undefeatable, but just asking, would you still lead it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 If I change the deal slightly, swapping the ♠4 with partner's ♦3, would you still lead the ♠2? I know very well that on this deal that the contract is now undefeatable, but just asking, would you still lead it? I would lead the 9 if had a doubleton, the 2 when I have 3. It's that easy. There's your answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1axbycz1 Posted October 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 ok. got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 Ok. So that's your standard leads. Is that your general standrad lead, or do you only lead that if playing partner's suit? Only if playing partner's suit, and only when I haven't supported. I realize that many of your opponents don't know this but I would indeed consider this "standard". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 Ok. So that's your standard leads. Is that your general standrad lead, or do you only lead that if playing partner's suit? Only if playing partner's suit, and only when I haven't supported. I realize that many of your opponents don't know this but I would indeed consider this "standard". I can second this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 A lot of folk in England think MUD is standard - not that I like it. The 9 would be normal with most of my partners and follow up with the 4. Perhaps more to the point, one leads a ♠ and chooses whichever one is normal from xxx in your partnership. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 Normal for xxx in partner's suit in your partnership. I believe it's the small one in England too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 Normal for xxx in partner's suit in your partnership. I believe it's the small one in England too. In England it is standard to lead lowest from xxx in partner's suit if unsupported or highest if you have shown support. In an unbid suit most lead the middle one so all 3 cards are possible on lead from xxx! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 We have 3 spades and 2 hearts. Partner has 5+ spades definitely, and 4+ hearts probably. So what exactly makes a heart a reasonable option? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 Normal for xxx in partner's suit in your partnership. I believe it's the small one in England too. In England it is standard to lead lowest from xxx in partner's suit if unsupported or highest if you have shown support. In an unbid suit most lead the middle one so all 3 cards are possible on lead from xxx! Yes - well - a lot of club players like you to lead H from Hxx in partners suit regardless of whether support has been shown or not - not that I like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 Yes - well - a lot of club players like you to lead H from Hxx in partners suit regardless of whether support has been shown or not - not that I like it. Some do it is true. But again standard would be the lowest from Hxx if you have not show support. After showing support you can choose the H or the x depending on how you visualise the hand and (sometimes) whether you have managed to promise the honour during the bidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick357 Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 A lot of folk in England think MUD is standard - not that I like it. The 9 would be normal with most of my partners and follow up with the 4. Perhaps more to the point, one leads a ♠ and chooses whichever one is normal from xxx in your partnership. Nick MUD = middle upper lower, if you use mud, the 4 would be led first followed by the 9in standard leads, if you play 9 first and then 4, that would confuse your p into thinking you have a doubleton. 942, i feel you should play the 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucky Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 Ok. So that's your standard leads. Is that your general standrad lead, or do you only lead that if playing partner's suit? My opps play high from xxx as their standard lead. Also, when I learn about signalling, something that I have failed at understanding: when can a spot card be used as a signal, and when can it not? I know that signalling is less important than winning tricks. If I suspect that the card is needed, I do not make that discard. However, how I have made mistakes by discarding 8s and 9s, and once a 6, without even suspecting that I would need it. How do I determine if it is neccessary? If this is a question that is too tough for B/I, please let me know. If I change the deal slightly, swapping the ♠4 with partner's ♦3, would you still lead the ♠2? I know very well that on this deal that the contract is now undefeatable, but just asking, would you still lead it?The lead of ♠2 is to show partner that we have 3 spades, not because we know to preserve the 9 (which happens to be a key spot card for this deal, but it's hard to foresee). Regardless of your normal methods of leading from 3 small cards, try leading low when you haven't supported partner. Partner then knows that you have 3+ in his suit. He will figure out that you may not have an honor in that suit, otherwise you may have already showed the support during bidding. On the other hand, had you raised partner in the bidding but you have 3 small, lead a high spot card. Partner knows that you have 3+ card support (so you need not lead a low card to repeat that message), now it is more important to let him know about the quality of support. In short, when deciding what to lead, try to give partner most useful information that couldn't be obtained from the bidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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