two-suiter over spades

[lmilne]

[hv=d=w&v=n&s=shak10965dk3ca10753]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

I don't have much experience with these hands, so I was hoping for some feedback on this one.

 

(Pass)-Pass-(1♠)-2♠-(3♠)-Pass-(4♠)-?

 

Not sure what people will think of my 2♠ bid with 6 hearts. FWIW, it showed a constructive hand.

[fromageGB]

A 2-suited bid is possible, but I play that as either weak or strong, and this is in between. For me it is an inital 2♥ followed by ♣ if I can, but not at the 5 level.

 

On the given sequence, pass. There may be a good heart sacrifice or game, but you are too late to find it. Double is too risky, as your shortage in spades implies you may not get 2 tricks in hearts.

[lmilne]

Oh yeah, that was my other question, does it make any difference if your first bid was 2♥ instead of 2♠? I'm assuming noone will be trying anything more kooky than 2♥ or 2♠.

[655321]

I like 2♥ then 5♣.

 

I don't like to have a 6th major suit card for a Michaels type bid if it can be avoided. The hand is strong and it is void in their suit, I would not sell out to 4♠ no matter whether the first bid was 2♥ or 2♠ (or 4♥ :)).

[benlessard]

2S is surely ok, you can used a further 4Nt bid to suggest wich of your suit is better.

[MickyB]

2♠ then 4NT, both look automatic. I don't understand the objection to 2♠ initially, there's no problem showing six hearts later by bidding NT over spades.

[Fluffy]

2♠ then double to show you have a very strong hand.

 

2♠-4NT is a hand with less defensive potential something like, switch ♥AK to ♥KQJ and then 4NT it is. But this hand can play 4♠X all day.

 

The difference between 2♠-4NT and 2♠-5♣ I just don't know people will tell you they have great methods where they both show different things, but the real thing is, most partnerships don't have any agreement.

 

 

 

To formage: This is not an intermediate 2 suiter, its a 4 loser hand! how stronger should you be for a strong 2 suiter?

 

 

If you pick to start with 2♥ then obviously you bid 5♣.

[fromageGB]

To fromage: This is not an intermediate 2 suiter, its a 4 loser hand! how stronger should you be for a strong 2 suiter?

If you pick to start with 2♥ then obviously you bid 5♣.

You may be right, it's close. But I tend to bid freely at the lower levels and not so at these heights. I'm not convinced 4♠ is going off, but considering it's red against green, -500 by bidding clubs does not sound good to me.

[NickRW]

On this matter of 2 suiters weak or strong - some people think that because "intermediate" (when applied to jump overcalls) means typically about 11-15, then "weak or strong" means not 11-15. Which isn't, imo, the best interpretation - you don't get many 16hcp two suiters!

[whereagles]

Seems like an easy 4NT to me...

 

By the way, you evaluate 2-suiters in losers, not hcp.

 

7,5+ losers: no bid

6-7 losers: weak

5,5-4,5 losers: intermediate

4-3 losers: strong

2,5-: insane

 

where 1 loser is lack of AKQ in a main suit or lack of AK in a side suit and 0,5 losers really depends on your evaluation (intermediate cards, tenaces, etc).

[Zelandakh]

On this matter of 2 suiters weak or strong - some people think that because "intermediate" (when applied to jump overcalls) means typically about 11-15, then "weak or strong" means not 11-15. Which isn't, imo, the best interpretation - you don't get many 16hcp two suiters!

'Strong' for me means that you want/need to make another move over a minimum response. That may well come down to losers as whereagles suggests athough I cannot say that I think in those terms at the table. If you take 16+ as a base and then reduce downward for good honour structures and extra shape then I daresay it is not far off 'normal' practise.

 

With this hand I would bid 2H followed by 5C as I have no faith that my 4NT would be interpreted as 6M-5m by a random partner. Some play 4NT here as a strong offensive hand (with double as a strong defensive hand) without any specification about extra shape.