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[babalu1997]

so, the partner does not show and you have to play with randoms, or maybe youa re lonely at the partnership desk.

 

list the profile things which would prevent you from playing with a potential random partner.

 

here is my list, which i might update anytime:

 

 

- 1nt= 16-18

- stolen bid doubles

- the deadred "gerber anytime" convention

-1d =4+

-never lead trumps

-rule of 15

- i love this game

-strong 2s

 

 

i also avoid flags of countries, maily where the average club player lears precision as the first system. thie 1 diamond opens feel disconcerting to me.

[TylerE]

Agree with much of that, but disagree about playing a 4 card diamond opening. I play that with my regular partner, and it has some definite benefits. ALso used in many european 2/1 systems (e.g. Ambra). This is assuming It's a 5=5=4=2 opening structure, and not Montral Relay or garbage like that. In the case of 5542 the odds of 1♣ being on a doubleton are quite small, so you can mostly ignore it if you choose to.

 

Others I'd add:

 

Misspelled conventions

Anyone who feels it nessesary to list standard stuff - A profile of "stayman transfers neg x" isn't very helpful.

SAYC + Some modifier. There's no such thing as "SAYC Basic or SAYC Full". Also people who list only SAYC + about 20 conventions that are the exact opposite of SAYC (weak jumps, inv minors, things like that). The absolute only thing SAYC has going for it is that it is set in stone...

[Zelandakh]

Misspelled conventions

Anyone who feels it nessesary to list standard stuff - A profile of "stayman transfers neg x" isn't very helpful.

SAYC + Some modifier. There's no such thing as "SAYC Basic or SAYC Full".

Not everyone speaks English as a first language - give people a break about spelling occasionally.

 

It is quite necessary to list basic things if you regularly play with pick-up partners. Stayman is perhaps a little much though...

 

SAYC Basic is a pseudonym for BBO Basic which is meant to be the standard system without agreement. SAYC Full is probably an attempt at a similar thing for BBO Advanced.

 

I usually avoid sitting opposite someone with "Strong 2" in their profile, although that is not always easy in the Acol Club. Similarly for strong jump overcalls. 1NT as 16-18 usually indicates that the person opposite is rather old and you should adjust your style accordingly. 1D = 4+ is a positive thing for me.

[bucky]

I thought SAYC means Standard American Yellow Card, which is a fixed convention card. By specifying SAYC, you are referring to that specific card, which includes "modern" conventions like Jacoby 2NT, but also "stone-age" ones like 3NT opening shows 25-27 balanced. If you play anything that deviates from it (e.g. Gambling 3NT), it is SAYC + modification (which technically means non-SAYC).

[blackshoe]

Technically, yes, but as in most human endeavors, people will assign their own meanings to words, and expect everybody else to agree with them. :blink:

[655321]

Misspelled conventions

Anyone who feels it nessesary

:blink:

[NickRW]

I usually avoid sitting opposite someone with "Strong 2" in their profile, although that is not always easy in the Acol Club.

Why would you be looking to avoid strong 2s and then go looking for a partner in the Acol club? :blink:

[Bbradley62]

While I wouldn't want to do it regularly, I don't mind playing strong 2s for a session. Same goes for 1NT=16-18. I have to really be in a relaxed mood for "no transfers", but even that just reminds me of the game I learned in the 1970s. Truth of the matter is that the older players who play this style tend to be rock solid; they always have their bids and their defense is reliable. But then again, I still play tennis with my wood racquet about twice a year because I think it's good practice, although I would never play a tournament with it.

 

I also have some national biases based on my BBO experience. It hadn't occurred to me that it might be because players in those countries are better-versed in Precision, but that might be one explanation.

 

I've never seen "never lead trumps" or "stolen bid doubles" in a profile, but those would scare me too.

 

I would definitely avoid "love this game" or "play for fun".

[kenberg]

The thing most likely to scare me off is the generic version of "Never lead trumps" . Or "Obey The Law". That sort of thing. We haven't even played the first hand and already I am being instructed in how I should lead/bid/whatever.

 

I have never played any strong club system. It's not a religious principle or anything, I just haven't. I have played weak no trumps but not often. So it's just wiser not to play them with me.

 

I guess another turn-off is a player who thinks that s/he just has to recite the name of a convention and we naturally both have the same (namely his/her) understanding of how it is payed, when it is on/off etc.

 

 

But most conventions I will play, even if I don't much care for them. Bergen, for example. If I am told when it is on/off.

[ggwhiz]

I'm a bridge teacher that plays in quite a few individuals to stay in touch with the general attitudes out there so I've run into all of the above.

 

The only true turn-offs for me are dictates from on high. Anything from the NEVER or ALWAYS camps, the two words that have no place in this game.

 

I also recommend the individuals to newbies as a means of auditioning numbers of like-minded partners but you're going to take (and play with) some lumps.

[the hog]

so, the partner does not show and you have to play with randoms, or maybe youa re lonely at the partnership desk.

 

list the profile things which would prevent you from playing with a potential random partner.

 

here is my list, which i might update anytime:

 

 

- 1nt= 16-18

- stolen bid doubles

- the deadred "gerber anytime" convention

-1d =4+

-never lead trumps

-rule of 15

- i love this game

-strong 2s

 

 

i also avoid flags of countries, maily where the average club player lears precision as the first system. thie 1 diamond opens feel disconcerting to me.

-1d =4+

 

So you would not partner Balicki or Zmudsinski?

[blackshoe]

Given the advantages Precision in general gives over say, 2/1 or SA (particularly when the opps don't interfere) I wouldn't let the 1D opening worry me too much. OTOH, given a choice, I'd play the current Romex "2 card" system: Romex proper when vulnerable, Romex Forcing Club (which is essentially Precision with some things from Blue Club and Romex) when not vulnerable. That's at MPs. At IMPs, Romex Forcing Club at favorable, and Romex the rest of the time.

[Free]

1♦ 4+ is pretty much the only one I wouldn't have a problem with.

[Fluffy]

the F* word

 

but stolen bid doubles is the one that scares me the most

[babalu1997]

so, the partner does not show and you have to play with randoms, or maybe youa re lonely at the partnership desk.

 

list the profile things which would prevent you from playing with a potential random partner.

 

here is my list, which i might update anytime:

 

 

- 1nt= 16-18

- stolen bid doubles

- the deadred "gerber anytime" convention

-1d =4+

-never lead trumps

-rule of 15

- i love this game

-strong 2s

 

 

i also avoid flags of countries, maily where the average club player lears precision as the first system.  thie 1 diamond opens feel disconcerting to me.

-1d =4+

 

So you would not partner Balicki or Zmudsinski?

I guess they would rather not partner me

 

there is nothing wrong with that or even with 16-18 no trump

 

the problem there lies with me hog, my responses and rebids do not mesh with theirs, neither theirs mesh with mine.

[vang]

"no transfer"

[WellSpyder]

but stolen bid doubles is the one that scares me the most

Nothing wrong with stolen bid doubles in their place....

 

Do you play a 4NT opening bid as asking for specific aces? I believe this is standard in my part of the world, at least, with a 5♣ response showing none, a 5NT response showing 2, and 5♦, 5♥, 5♠ and 6♣ showing specifically the ace of the suit bid.

 

But what do you do if the opponents intervene? I remember many moons ago agreeing with one partner to play that pass showed no aces, and a double showed an ace that could no longer be cue-bid at the same level as without the intervention. In other words, pretty much exactly a "stolen bid" double, I think.

 

Not sure their place is after intervention over a 1-level opening bid, though....

[TylerE]

The only proper place for stolen bid doubles is on my oppoennt's CC.

[Zelandakh]

The only proper place for stolen bid doubles is on my oppoennt's CC.

As Spyder suggests, Stolen Bid Doubles have their place. You probably already play at least one...1D - (1S) - X = hearts. Another popular one would be 1NT - (2C) - X = Stayman. The trouble comes when you try to play them generally.

[helene_t]

Agree that 1NT=16-18 is an off-putter. Especially in combination with 2NT=19-21 and/or "SAYC". I mean if people write "SAYC" followed with a number of things that are incompatible with SAYC then it's not a good sign.

 

Other off-putters are Gerber, multi and Acol. And strong twos and regular blackwood. Not that I mind so much playing those things but (except for multi) they are very old-fashioned so they suggest that the player has old-fashioned ideas like most doubles being penalty and such.

[Fluffy]

The only proper place for stolen bid doubles is on my oppoennt's CC.

As Spyder suggests, Stolen Bid Doubles have their place. You probably already play at least one...1D - (1S) - X = hearts. Another popular one would be 1NT - (2C) - X = Stayman. The trouble comes when you try to play them generally.

I don't play either of those I play some revolutionary convention named take out double.

[jdonn]

The only proper place for stolen bid doubles is on my oppoennt's CC.

As Spyder suggests, Stolen Bid Doubles have their place. You probably already play at least one...1D - (1S) - X = hearts.

That's not a stolen bid double, that would be 1D - (1S) - X = spades. Nice try :)

[babalu1997]

The only proper place for stolen bid doubles is on my oppoennt's CC.

As Spyder suggests, Stolen Bid Doubles have their place. You probably already play at least one...1D - (1S) - X = hearts.

That's not a stolen bid double, that would be 1D - (1S) - X = spades. Nice try :)

there is a player at bbo who plays SAYC but "Bids nothing tricky"

 

i was kibbing this known expert pair, while she partnered with an unsuspecting expert-- who happened to be very advanced.

 

1 spades- 2 sapdes by her --- she actually had 5

 

partner thought it was michaels and some disaster ensued

 

when he left, she said

 

i told you, i bid nothing tricky

 

she is resourceful tho, one time she asked me to play at her table as opp

 

i said: only if you get a star player to be my partner

 

well, she did!!!

 

i haven't played with a star since

[manudude03]

Well they do exist in some places I guess...

 

1NT-P-2♦-X hey I wanted to bid that!

 

remove the pass, not good :)

[nige1]

so, the partner does not show and you have to play with randoms, or maybe youa re lonely at the partnership desk. list the profile things which would prevent you from playing with a potential random partner.

Others I'd add:

I have more difficulty getting partners than Babalou or TylerE so I am less picky. If a partner leaves in the middle of a hand or ejects me from the table, I classify him as an "enemy" and won't play with him again but that's got nothing to do with his profile. Comments

1. "Never lead trumps." John Maclaren only granted a few partner's a license to lead trumps "The Idiot's Lead".
2. "Rule of 15." Convincingly refuted in a BBO post but still an article of faith to some.
   I admit these first two are a bit off-putting because they impugn my judgement. But I can tolerate all the rest
3. "IN=16-18." or 15-17 is OK although 10-12 is more fun.
4. "No transfer." works well for 9-11, 10-12 and even (strong) 11-14 notrump ranges.
5. "Stolen bid doubles." seem fairly simple and natural.
6. "Gerber anytime." reduces chances of reaching dodgy five-leve contracts.
7. "1♦ =4+." is OK as long as you only open with four when 4441.
8. "Strong 2s." Strong major twos fit in quite well with Multi, and relieve responder to 1M of the obligation of bidding 1N with dross.
9. "Players from countries where the average club player learns precision as the first system." I like Precision -- ideal for learners.
10. "Standard stuff like Stayman transfers neg x" is helpful to those who don't speak 2/1 as their Mother-tongue.
11. "SAYC + Some modifier." Most system-names are like "Acol" -- they describe "An Attitude of Mind" rather than a set of conventions. But SAYC is a well-defined exception to this rule.
12. "Misspelled conventions." Seriously? :)
13. "I love this game". Some of us do :)
14. "Play for fun". Ditto :)