InTime Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 What is the recommended level to which a negative double should apply in general?For example: 1♠ - (4♣) - X . . . penalties or negative etc.I will appreciate any rationale with your comment.Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 Expert standard is through 4♥ or 4♠, depending on who you ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 Expert standard is that the double always promises convertible values and is never purely penalty. Before doubling, just ask yourself how pleased you would be to hear your partner pull the double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 There's a few dinosaurs that play negative doubles through 2♠. I would say the typical club player plays them through 3♠. 4♦ and 4♥ are more common, but I don't know anyone that plays them higher. Roger is correct - at levels above our stated limit for negative doubles, the double shows cards. It isn't specifically penalties per se, but partner will leave the double in a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 Dbl is never for penalty, but the higher the level the more it will be converted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTime Posted October 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 [hv=d=e&v=n&n=sa753ha8632d54c105&w=sqthkj1054d862caj9&e=skj982hq9dkqt97c6&s=s64h7daj3ckq87432]399|300|Scoring: MP[/hv]Thanks for all the replies with rationale behind it. Now, take this hand for an example. The Bidding:1S - (4C) - X - (Pass) 4D* - (Pass) - 4S - All Pass * [taking the 4C as a take-out]Must one just write this hand off as a bad experience?Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 Expert standard is through 4♥ or 4♠, depending on who you ask. When I look through CCs of top pairs, for example at the BB, I find that the most common level is 4D over 1C/D/H and 4H over 1S. Some play the level higher, almost noone plays it lower. The CCs are not detailed enough to say whether the higher doubles are penalty, cooperative penalty, or cooperative takeout but I would think 'values' is perhaps closest to the mark. Roger's method seems to be cooperative take-out/values; I suspect cooperative penalty/values is closer to the mark, especially above 4S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucky Posted October 2, 2010 Report Share Posted October 2, 2010 Dealer: East Vul: N/S Scoring: MP ♠ A753 ♥ A8632 ♦ 54 ♣ 105 ♠ QT ♥ KJ1054 ♦ 862 ♣ AJ9 ♠ KJ982 ♥ Q9 ♦ KQT97 ♣ 6 ♠ 64 ♥ 7 ♦ AJ3 ♣ KQ87432 Thanks for all the replies with rationale behind it. Now, take this hand for an example. The Bidding:1S - (4C) - X - (Pass) 4D* - (Pass) - 4S - All Pass * [taking the 4C as a take-out]Must one just write this hand off as a bad experience?Regards What do you mean "bad experience"? The bidding was near perfect, 4♠ is a fair contract (doesn't make though), and on cards lie N-S can nearly make 4♣. Which part is "bad"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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