BunnyGo Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 Second seat all red: AJ2, KQ, KQJ, QT652 What do you bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 Second seat all red: AJ2, KQ, KQJ, QT652 What do you bid? assuming g=beginner forum...easy1nt 16-`18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted September 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 Second seat all red: AJ2, KQ, KQJ, QT652 What do you bid? assuming g=beginner forum...easy1nt 16-`18 No, decent players using a 15-17 NT range...it may be worth bidding 1NT anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucky Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 No, decent players using a 15-17 NT range...it may be worth bidding 1NT anyways. This is matter of style. If you routinely open 1NT with good 14 HCP hands, then this hand is too good for 1NT. If you never open 1NT with 14 count, then you can certainly consider 1NT here in MP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 I am a simple soul, I have 18 so I don't open a 15-17 NT, sorry if that offends the K&R fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 1♣ planning on rebidding 2N is the recommended standard sequence, especially for a B/I player. Once you have some level of experience, you can make the judgment for yourself whether to downgrade the hand based on the KQ tight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 1♣ planning on rebidding 2N is the recommended standard sequence, especially for a B/I player. Once you have some level of experience, you can make the judgment for yourself whether to downgrade the hand based on the KQ tight. OP understands that 1♣ followed by 2N shows 18-19 so I find this rather unhelpful. Tough hand. Sure KQ and KQJ aren't pulling their full weight, but I've got a 5-card suit too. Move a jack into the club suit and I think a 2N rebid strategy is 100% clear so this doesn't seem so far off that I should downgrade to a 1N opener. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 Obvious 1NT and B/I players are perfectly capable of understanding that KQ KQJ is not worth 11 HCP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 1♣ planning on rebidding 2N is the recommended standard sequence, especially for a B/I player. Once you have some level of experience, you can make the judgment for yourself whether to downgrade the hand based on the KQ tight. OP understands that 1♣ followed by 2N shows 18-19 so I find this rather unhelpful. Tough hand. Sure KQ and KQJ aren't pulling their full weight, but I've got a 5-card suit too. Move a jack into the club suit and I think a 2N rebid strategy is 100% clear so this doesn't seem so far off that I should downgrade to a 1N opener. Fair enough. I should have probably read into the thread title that the OP was looking for more than the basics. For the record, I agree with your assessment as to the hand, it's just good enough that I wouldn't downgrade, personally, but I wouldn't think it a clear error if someone did decide to downgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 I would open 1NT. There are plenty players though who will never downgrade no matter what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuroth Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 I am a simple soul, I have 18 so I don't open a 15-17 NT, sorry if that offends the K&R fans. I'm happy to read this. I assumed every player better than me was going to bid 1NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 Obvious 1NT and B/I players are perfectly capable of understanding that KQ KQJ is not worth 11 HCP. This! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 I am a simple soul, I have 18 so I don't open a 15-17 NT, sorry if that offends the K&R fans. me 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 Not 1NT. Simply consider the number of 6, 5, and even 4 counts that give reasonable play for 3NT and the reason why 1N is bad should be obvious. Even if I were to ever downgrade 18 counts into 1N (and I don't), I'd never do it with a decent 5 card suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 1NT for me. Control deficient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 I think downgrading is questionable at best. There is a 5 card suit which, although it's bad, has the ten and that is important. I happen to think the field has lost its marbles here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 Obvious 1NT and B/I players are perfectly capable of understanding that KQ KQJ is not worth 11 HCP. I strongly disagree. And I don't mean that as an insult to B/I players, I mean it as a compliment to anyone who knows what KQ and KQJ are worth since they are better than B/I IMO (at least better than B for sure). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 Not 1NT. Simply consider the number of 6, 5, and even 4 counts that give reasonable play for 3NT and the reason why 1N is bad should be obvious. Even if I were to ever downgrade 18 counts into 1N (and I don't), I'd never do it with a decent 5 card suit. Let me know when you have one and we will discuss it :( Serisouly, I don't really care on this one either way, whichever my partner chooses would be fine with me. Personally I lean to the aggressive side so I would open 1♣ and rebid 2NT. But it doesn't feel like a very important distinction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 I said decent, not great. QTxxx is certainly a decent suit in my book. Even opposite as bad as 2 small it can be setup for 3 tricks a lot of the time, and opposite Ax or Kx it will be 4 tricks a good chunk of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 QTxxx is certainly a decent suit in my book. Even opposite as bad as 2 small it can be setup for 3 tricks a lot of the time, and opposite Ax or Kx it will be 4 tricks a good chunk of the time.provably lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 I'm treating this as 18 I think, while you have a lot of honours in the short suits, you have a decent number of touching honours which is good news, so 1♣ then 2N. Makes me very glad I play what I do, I can open 1♣ playing a weak no trump and make a (wide range) 1N rebid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted September 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 [hv=n=sq3ha765d9642ca43&w=s9654h9432da8ckj9&e=skt87hjt8dt753c87&s=saj2hkqdkqjcqt652]399|300|1NT-2♣2♦-3NT[/hv] Thanks for the input, glad to hear how different people evaluated the hand. As you can see, I decided to open 1NT and found a big enough hand with partner to not even be invited. Sadly, on the spade lead and terrible club positioning, I couldn't avoid 2 club losers, 2 spade losers, and one diamond loser (maybe a better player could have, but I don't see how). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 You had 28 HCP and went down in 3NT? Stay in the B/I forum because you must be really bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 Just in case han's sarcasm isn't clear I am pretty sure you can't make this even looking at their cards. You can give them a chance to defend incorrectly but that's about it (duck some tricks and when rho is in if he doesnt play a club through lho will get squeezed in hearts and clubs). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 Yes sometimes when suits go very badly you go down in good contracts, that is an important lesson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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