how bid grand?

[bftboy]

[hv=d=s&v=n&n=sakqhakq7432d9c102&s=s9hj10dakj1065ca976]133|200|Scoring: MP[/hv]

 

P and I play strong jump shifts over 1m, and coasted to the grand after he opened 1♦. I was wondering, tho, what would be a good sequence for reaching it if you don't play strong jump shifts here? thx, :P

[Little Kid]

Edit: Silly mistake.

 

1♦-1♥

2♣-2♠*

3♦-3♥

3♠-4NT

5♥-5NT

6♦-7NT

 

* FSF

Edited September 29, 2010 by Little Kid

[rogerclee]

Edit: Silly mistake.

 

1♦-1♥

2♣-2♠*

3♦-3♥

3♠-4NT

5♥-5NT

6♦-7NT

 

* FSF

South can just bid 7H after 5N (or 5S), and then north will convert to 7N obvously.

[Fluffy]

I'd rather bid 2♦ then 3♣ but auction is pretty much the same as littlekid described.

 

Also I would bid 4♥ and not 3♠ wich looks like a missfit bid.

[W Kovacs]

I'd rather bid 2♦ then 3♣ but auction is pretty much the same as littlekid described.

 

Also I would bid 4♥ and not 3♠ which looks like a missfit bid.

I was going to ask if that 3♠ bid is a minisplinter agreeing hearts, because I'm not sure I would take it that way.

 

Anyway, I agree with Fluffy's implied auction, except that I would bid 1♦-2♣-3♦, not 1♦-2♦-3♣.

 

Out of curiousity, how did the Strong Jump auction go? I'm imagining:

 

1♦-2♥!

2♠!-3♥

4NT-5♦

5♠-7♥

7NT

 

That's how my partner and I would bid it, at least.

 

EDIT: fixed the bidding. Apparently I wasn't thinking clearly.

[bucky]

Out of curiousity, how did the Strong Jump auction go? I'm imagining:

 

1♦-2♥!

2♠!-3♥

4NT-5♠

5NT-7♥

7NT

 

That's how my partner and I would bid it, at least.

Out of curiosity, what does 2♠ show, what is 1♦-2♥-3♦ in your system, and why is partner responding 5♠ (assuming 4NT is rkc in hearts)?

[mike777]

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P and I play strong jump shifts over 1m, and coasted to the grand after he opened 1♦.  I was wondering, tho, what would be a good sequence for reaching it if you don't play strong jump shifts here?  thx,  ;)

1d=1h

2c=2s!

3d=3h

4h=4s(rkc in h)

5d(2, deny qh)=5s(specific k ask)

6d(KD, deny kc and ks)=7nt

 

pretty easy,

[bucky]

The hand is tailor-made for blackwood. Any bidding sequence employing blackwood/rkc should easily reach grand on this one, it doesn't matter you play SJS or not. It will be more interesting to ask: how do you reach grand if you don't play blackwood? :(

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

basically it will be simple, if North starts the RKCB asking,

since he just needs to find 3 cover cards for his 3 loosers.

Since North is also the stronger one, and has a selfsufficent

suit, this will easily be happening.

 

1D - 1H

2C - 2S (FSF)

3D - 3H

4H - 4NT (...)

... - 7NT

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Zelandakh]

It will be more interesting to ask: how do you reach grand if you don't play blackwood? :D

Well you did ask... :)

 

1D = 10-17, 4+ diamonds, unbal

1H = 10+ relay

1S = 10-13 any (upgrading is possible and merely skips ahead to 2C)

1N = GF relay

2C = 4+ clubs

2D = relay

2H = 5+ diamonds, 4 clubs

2S = relay

3C = 6 diamonds, 0-1 spades

3D = relay

4D = 1=2=6=4, 5 A/K controls (this would be 4C if you upgraded)

7N = can count 13 tricks unless hearts are 4-0

 

The hand is even more tailor-made for this approach than for Blackwood!

[W Kovacs]

Out of curiousity, how did the Strong Jump auction go?  I'm imagining:

 

1♦-2♥!

2♠!-3♥

4NT-5♠

5NT-7♥

7NT

 

That's how my partner and I would bid it, at least.

Out of curiosity, what does 2♠ show, what is 1♦-2♥-3♦ in your system, and why is partner responding 5♠ (assuming 4NT is rkc in hearts)?

Crap. Typed faster than I thought again. I'll amend my previous post. I changed the 5NT king ask to the 5♠ queen ask in light of the ammended auction. The responses should still be valid.

 

And the 2S! bid is a relay, allowing responder to further describe his hand. We have no meaning for the 1♦-2♥-3♦. Partner's next bid will tell me exactly what he holds, so why should I ever not want that information?

[bftboy]

Our strong js auction went: 1♦, 2♥, 3♦, 3♠, 4♣, 4nt, etc. we play rkc here is always for the js suit.

 

The hand was played in a small and weakish club game and only 2 of 6 pairs bid the grand. Don't really know why they missed it, as weaker pairs will often barge into blackwood, which works perfectly on this hand. I guess I was wondering where the auction might have gotten off track, but who knows. :D

[bucky]

Our strong js auction went: 1♦, 2♥, 3♦, 3♠, 4♣, 4nt, etc. we play rkc here is always for the js suit.

 

The hand was played in a small and weakish club game and only 2 of 6 pairs bid the grand. Don't really know why they missed it, as weaker pairs will often barge into blackwood, which works perfectly on this hand. I guess I was wondering where the auction might have gotten off track, but who knows. :(

Was everyone at least in game?