mike777 Posted September 27, 2010 Report Share Posted September 27, 2010 T984....A8....AJ984.....53 unfav vul imps. (1c)=? overcall or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted September 28, 2010 Report Share Posted September 28, 2010 has lead directing value so yes, 1♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted September 28, 2010 Report Share Posted September 28, 2010 yes, 1♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W Kovacs Posted September 28, 2010 Report Share Posted September 28, 2010 1♦, without hesitation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted September 28, 2010 Report Share Posted September 28, 2010 I have enough points for 1♦, I have enough cards for 1♦, if they win the contract it is at least a reasonable suit for partner to lead to, and I quite like the idea of playing in ♦. If I'm not overcalling 1♦ with this, when would I? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted September 28, 2010 Report Share Posted September 28, 2010 The critical factor is that opps slam chances are near 0 so I am risking -500,-800,-1100, or -1400 vs their + 460 or +450. While the risk may be relatively low it still exists and the gain from lead direction is less clear. So a case can be made for passing. Of course at reversed colors I have been known to call 2♦ altho not usually in 2nd seat :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted September 28, 2010 Report Share Posted September 28, 2010 The critical factor is that opps slam chances are near 0 so I am risking -500,-800,-1100, or -1400 vs their + 460 or +450. While the risk may be relatively low it still exists and the gain from lead direction is less clear. So a case can be made for passing. Of course at reversed colors I have been known to call 2♦ altho not usually in 2nd seat :) Yes, what you say is true - but there may also be hands where we can make 3♦ versus their making 2♥ - for the loss of significant IMPs every time this happens if I don't speak now with this - IMO. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted September 28, 2010 Report Share Posted September 28, 2010 The critical factor is that opps slam chances are near 0 so I am risking -500,-800,-1100, or -1400 vs their + 460 or +450. While the risk may be relatively low it still exists and the gain from lead direction is less clear. So a case can be made for passing. Of course at reversed colors I have been known to call 2♦ altho not usually in 2nd seat :) True, but .. a lot of things have to go wrong for us to go -800 in 1♦. Lefty has trumps and passes, righty reopens with double, and we only take four tricks. It sounds like a long shot to me. Versus all the good things that can happen: we make a partial, we make a good save, we make the right lead. On rare occasion, we make game our way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted September 28, 2010 Report Share Posted September 28, 2010 I remember a hand like this some time ago and Danny Kleinman was going on and on about how the 1♦ 'undercall' is a poor bid. It makes it harder to find the 4-4 fit and it gives LHO some extra calls. I didn't agree then nor now. 1♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junyi_zhu Posted September 28, 2010 Report Share Posted September 28, 2010 T984....A8....AJ984.....53 unfav vul imps. (1c)=? overcall or not? Seems no rebidding problems after partner's possible forcing 1H or 1S. So it is indeed a marginal 1D overcall, which is about one jack or queen weaker than a normal aggressive minimum opener. When white vs red, it is possible to bid 2D IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junyi_zhu Posted September 28, 2010 Report Share Posted September 28, 2010 I remember a hand like this some time ago and Danny Kleinman was going on and on about how the 1♦ 'undercall' is a poor bid. It makes it harder to find the 4-4 fit and it gives LHO some extra calls. I didn't agree then nor now. 1♦. Well, it depends on how you bid over 1D, if you play 1H or 1S showing 4+ and forcing one round, I don't see any difficulties finding 4-4 M because of 1D. Of course it may give some extra calls to LHO, that's probably a minor drawback of overcalling. This hand is actually quite strong, comparing with hands like AQJTx and nothing else, although you may make less tricks if the trump doesn't break well. IMO, it's more like "take the position overcall". If your opp can open 1C with KJxx xx x AQxxxx, it certainly doesn't feel very wrong to overcall 1D, which is just one or two HCP short of an opener. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 28, 2010 Report Share Posted September 28, 2010 Not overcalling 1♦ is lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2010 ok thanks for the responses...I did overcall and went for 500 and against -100 in 3nt. The other room was silent with my hand and defended 3nt. My p/u partner left just as dummy came down....mad at me, so I was concerned if my overcall was nuts. (1c)=1d=(1s)=2d(3c)=p=p=(3d)x A73....J752.....Q653.....Q9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junyi_zhu Posted September 28, 2010 Report Share Posted September 28, 2010 ok thanks for the responses...I did overcall and went for 500 and against -100 in 3nt. The other room was silent with my hand and defended 3nt. My p/u partner left just as dummy came down....mad at me (1c)=1d=(1s)=2d(3c)=p=p=(3d)x A73....J752.....Q653.....Q9 Your partner should take most of the blame in this sequence. He can make a constructive 4 card raise at first if your overcalling style may be based on many 4 card suits. Once he decided to bid 2D, he didn't have to compete to 3D with soft holdings in C and H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted September 28, 2010 Report Share Posted September 28, 2010 Raising and re-raising means "I want to be doubled". Either he bids 3D immediately or he passes after 3C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 28, 2010 Report Share Posted September 28, 2010 ok thanks for the responses...I did overcall and went for 500 and against -100 in 3nt. The other room was silent with my hand and defended 3nt. My p/u partner left just as dummy came down....mad at me, so I was concerned if my overcall was nuts. (1c)=1d=(1s)=2d(3c)=p=p=(3d)x A73....J752.....Q653.....Q9 Partner's bidding = lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonottawa Posted September 29, 2010 Report Share Posted September 29, 2010 A lot of monday morning quarterbacking going on here. lol @ partner's bidding competing to the 3 level with a 9 card fit and half the deck. roflmao uh, no. Some days, the bear gets you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 29, 2010 Report Share Posted September 29, 2010 A lot of monday morning quarterbacking going on here. lol @ partner's bidding competing to the 3 level with a 9 card fit and half the deck. roflmao uh, no. Uh, yes. There is more to a bridge hand than a 9 card fit (such as being balanced, spotless, having Qx of their suit, and balancing over 3 of a minor vul at imps), and even if you want to get there there is more than one way to reach the 3 level (like, all at once via a mixed raise!) I mean apparently overcalling 1♦ got them to 3♣ instead of a doomed 3NT anyway so I still lost like 5 imps and yet I still say non-1♦ is lol, wow I'm such a resulter! Oh and is my math off or does 9 + overcall not = half the deck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted September 29, 2010 Report Share Posted September 29, 2010 Bidding 2♦ then 3♦ on partner's hand is terrible. This concept, that bidding the hand twice, giving opponents more room, more options is bad is not a difficult idea, and you posted this in the correct forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted September 29, 2010 Report Share Posted September 29, 2010 1310642 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted September 29, 2010 Report Share Posted September 29, 2010 T984....A8....AJ984.....53 unfav vul imps. (1c)=? overcall or not? 1D. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted September 29, 2010 Report Share Posted September 29, 2010 ok thanks for the responses...I did overcall and went for 500 and against -100 in 3nt. The other room was silent with my hand and defended 3nt. My p/u partner left just as dummy came down....mad at me, so I was concerned if my overcall was nuts. (1c)=1d=(1s)=2d(3c)=p=p=(3d)x A73....J752.....Q653.....Q9 I'm glad that I am not the only one finding this type of p/u partner.Had he rated himself as expert too? :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted September 29, 2010 Report Share Posted September 29, 2010 1310642 is this an agreement or are you trying to penalize the previous poster :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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