flytoox Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 PLAY 2/1, WHAT DO U OPEN WITH? S: xxxH: AKXXD: XXC: AKJX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 Openings... my favourite problems :lol: I open 1NT. Hand has some flaws, but not enough to evade the most descriptive bid available, in my judgement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 PLAY 2/1, WHAT DO U OPEN WITH? S: xxxH: AKXXD: XXC: AKJX 1♣ What is the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 PLAY 2/1, WHAT DO U OPEN WITH? S: xxxH: AKXXD: XXC: AKJX 1NT Life gets too complicated if I open 1♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 1NT: 15-17 BALANCED. What else??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted August 13, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 Guess most would open 1N with XXX, AKXX, AKJX, XX, coz if u dont open 1N, then u have a rebid problem. However here u dont have rebid problem. if pd respond 1M, u can raise to 2s or 3H. This is my thought so I open 1C. The auction continues: 1C 1D1H 3N pd has S: QXH: QJD: AJ9XXXC: QXX unfortunately opening leader has 5s and we r down one. If I open 1N, then LHO has sAKX and he is less likely to lead from it. Does this prove 1C wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daswallow Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 I would open a 15-17 NT, as otherwise it is impossible to describe the hand properly. Presumably the only worry is wrong-siding a possible 3NT contract as partner may hold something like K x spades? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 if pd respond 1M, u can raise to 2s or 3H. This is my thought so I open 1C. Do you really want to raise to 2♠ with 3 small and no real ruffing value? Especially when it could be anything from 12 points and 4 spades to 16 points and 3 spades? Suppose your partner has...I dunno...4 spades and a ten count. How can he possibly know whether to bid over 2♠? I have no interest whatsoever in playing in spades if partner has only four of them. Therefore, I open 1NT. P.S.1C 1D 1H 3N...unfortunately opening leader has 5s and we r down one. If I open 1N, then LHO has sAKX and he is less likely to lead from it. The problem isn't that one side or the other is playing it. The problem is that your bidding screams for a spade lead. With bidding of 1NT 3NT, you're less likely to get a spade lead no matter who is on lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 Does this prove 1C wrong? Prove? Certainly not. Suggest? Perhaps, perhaps not. At least in your auction responder had an opportunity to ask via 4th suit whether Spades were wide open. If you get to stay out of game after the Spade weakness is exposed then you may gain on this hand (although if you get as far as 4D then you are probably still down). On the other hand, as Kelsey would have said, once you have shown a guard in the auction you may not need one in the play, so responder's confident 3N rebid might have diverted a Spade lead. On the hand in question there is no alternative game contract that I would rather be in, and on those combined values I and the rest of the world and his dog will be in some game or other. It is 50:50 which hand has the more obvious Spade lead in a vacuum, so simply deciding which of your two hands should be declarer on that basis is somewhat a matter of pure luck. There is a slight indication that opening 1C might, in the long term, steer them marginally more in favour of leading Spades than by opening 1N. Anyway, Spades might have been 4-4. I would conclude that this particular hand is not a conclusive example of either the merits or hazards of the respective openings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trpltrbl Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 1 NT, don't see the problem.Balanced 15-17. That's what I got.People that don't open 1 NT with this because they don't have all the suits stopped, are missing out on a lot. Mike :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 1 NT, don't see the problem.Balanced 15-17. That's what I got.People that don't open 1 NT with this because they don't have all the suits stopped, are missing out on a lot. Mike :DThat's right. The truth is that hands like xx HHxx xxx HHxx opposite HHxx xx HHxx xxx will generally play much better than Hx Hxxx Hxx Hxxx opposite Hxxx Hx Hxxx Hxx So, for NT contracts (and also for suit contracts), hands with concentrated honours are not in principal worse than hands with scattered honours. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 Indeed. Opening 1NT doesn't mean you'll play in NT. It's just a way to describe your hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 PLAY 2/1, WHAT DO U OPEN WITH? S: xxxH: AKXXD: XXC: AKJX 1♣ What is the problem? Sorry.. I read the Heart Suit as Axxx (using a capital "k" next to a capital "x" confused my eyesight. I open 1NT with balanced 14-16, and AK, AKJ puts me squarely there... So I guess this answers my qustion on what that problem is? The problem is my eyesight... :-( Please, Capital letters for honor cards, little 'x''s for random spots... help us old guys out.... ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 If the ♠'a and ♥'s were reversed, I'd open 1♣. I understand all the technical merits of opening 1♣ here, but I have a bear of a rebid over 1♠. So its 1N for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 perfect 1C for me, 1nt rebid (unless pard bids hearts)... if we have game he'll check back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 perfect 1C for me, 1nt rebid (unless pard bids hearts)... if we have game he'll check back Jimmy - we are just about all prime and we have 1/2 of the controls in the deck. This hand is wayyyyyy too heavy for a 1N rebid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted August 14, 2004 Report Share Posted August 14, 2004 S: xxxH: AKXXD: XXC: AKJX you're right phil, 6 controls is very nice... but the hand is too strong to open 1nt for me.. given 12-14 nt (or 10-13), how would you bid and rebid the hand, over 1S response? 2H could work, i guess, tho partner will almost surely play me for 4/5+ in my 2 suits added: my 1nt rebid shows 15-17 (with 12-14 nt) and 14-16 (with 10-13 nt)... partner knows this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 14, 2004 Report Share Posted August 14, 2004 1NT. Wtp?Swop H & S and I open 1NT. Wtp? Your result does not prove 1NT wrong , however -you have a balanced 15-17. If you don't open this 1N you cannot get any differentiation into your bidding sequences. You should not be able to hold this hand for your bidding. Incidentally I have no qualms about raising on 3 card support - even on xxx if the hand is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted August 14, 2004 Report Share Posted August 14, 2004 [hv=d=s&n=sqxhqjdaj9xxxcqxx&s=sxxxhakxxdxxcakjx]133|200|[/hv] playing 10-13 nt: 1C : 1D 1NT : 3NT 1NT=14-16 i don't see the problem with opening 1C here, since that and 1NT opening are both off 1 in 3NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 Do I play 15-17 NT? then 1NT, don´t see the problem Do I play 16-18? or 15-18?, still 1NT opening, too good for a 1♣ opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 PLAY 2/1, WHAT DO U OPEN WITH? S: xxxH: AKXXD: XXC: AKJX 1NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 PLAY 2/1, WHAT DO U OPEN WITH? S: xxxH: AKXXD: XXC: AKJXMatt Granovetter on his Bridge Today website had almost the identical hand on his web site about 3 months ago, except the hearts and spades were switched. In spite of playing a 15-17 NT, he recommended a 1♣ opening and a 1♠ rebid. Playing 2/1, where a 1♠ rebid over 1♦ shows an unbalanced hand, its difficult to bid the hand this way, so a 1N opening is more or less forced. Playing SAYC, or any system where you bid 4 card suits up the line, I think you can get away with a 1♣ opening, and I think its a sensible way to bid the hand. The example on Gran's website showed the hands playing a nice 4-4 ♣ partial, where 1N was doomed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 Nobody has mentioned the obvious: 1♥ What's the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 Nobody has mentioned the obvious: 1♥ What's the problem? The obvious is not lying about your shape and strength imo. With opening 1♥ you say you have 5+ ♥s while you have only 4, and you even open your highest 4-card from 2 fourcards. Obvious? I think not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben47 Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 I must be very stupid but I will open 1NT on this hand playing 14 - 16 or 15 - 17. Anything else is a distortion and you will never be able to show this hand, that's the way the system works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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