marathon tourney

[spwdo]

Hi,

 

Im thinking of trying/doing a longer then we used to tourney on bbo, but i fear i gonna be more beeing busy with subs then actually direct.

 

Major fear is that since most dont read rules and just sign up and play till they had enough not much pairs that start going to finisch.

 

 

Shoud i be working off a list? making this a regular thing i liked to see regular pairs liking this format be playing but hard to say no in front to ppl before i can tell they are stayers or not.

 

 

Any ideas, add a comment please

 

Marc

[Free]

Perhaps you could start with a tourney which is longer than the avarage tourney, and make a list from people who stay. Do that several times until you have a list with lots of people who stay during your pretty long tourney. Then add 3 more boards and let only that list join (and perhaps some friends like me B) ). And keep your list. After a while you'll know who disconnects quickly and who doesn't.

 

Just an idea, but it will probably result in a very small group of people allowed... On the other hand, you'll have "stayers".

[Gweny]

B) if it is me i do survivor with like 5% cut and this maybe eliminate your problem.

 

do/try 3 board rounds so everyone gets 6 boards min (or more) - late fishy is now 1 cut at end of round 3 so everyone gets 9 boards...

 

But if you want to do like 24 boards and you use 3 board rounds this is only 8 rounds...

 

this way if you get seriously stuck for subs tables will fall out and your non competitive pairs are eliminate with 5% cut

[DJNeill]

Hi,

Back when I had time on my hands, I hosted 4 marathon tournies, 70 hands. They took about 8 hours. Uday was interested in the boundary-checking aspect of it.

 

In all of them, only about 1 out of 40 pairs would stay the whole time intact. Maybe 2 others would stay individually. What happened was the first tournament had lots of (Av-)'s because there weren't enough players to scrape up in time. I spent all my time getting subs too.

 

The second tourney I made much smaller, which helped immensely. Still nobody stayed the whole time, but subbing was easier.

 

Now the sub-requesting software is better which helps. Also, more players seem in tune with how tournies go (lots of new users before). It would be more desireable for me to serve such a tourney now than then.

 

Later,

Dan

[epeeist]

Unless there's some reason (such as the previous poster noted for boundary-checking) for setting up one massive tournament, why not do sequential tournaments? E.g. 12 boards, 5 minute break, next tournament of 12 boards, break, next tournament etc. It would be more cumbersome to work out the overall winner (I assume you'd have to do it yourself, so probably couldn't manage too many entrants) but the breaks would give you additional time to scrape up subs/new entrants?

[TimG]

E.g. 12 boards, 5 minute break, next tournament of 12 boards, break, next tournament etc.

In my tournament experience (limited) 5 minutes is about the normal break between rounds....

[spwdo]

Hi,

 

 

Have a new username for marathon tourneys, first tourney is already in the list, starting with 20 baords, 2 baords a round.(in time and when things work out we will move to longer event)

 

Wont spend too much time on subbing issue, once disconnect is out, im working off my friendslist, so will be asking every one that wants to sign up if they can stay for the whole 3 hours, to have a break , all that is needed is that on one table in lets say round five the last card isnt played so that everybody can have their break( including me:D).

 

 

Stayers more then welcome, i am not going to choice for survivor because i dont want to punisch an innocent pair that maybe gets discarded because of another pair, in time i guess the bad apples will be kept out and we more towards a staying field.

 

Aldougb the % DJNeil is showing i ll try this, maybe will regret it, maybe not.Ill start with a max. of 20 tables so 40 pairs to keep things manageble, its long for me too and i dont want 1131463 tdcalls a round like im used too.

 

 

Marc/marathontd

 

P.s like the name? marathon was taken(well didnt try it, expected it to be taken)

[mink]

Good luck, Marc!

 

It is nice of you that you do not want innocent pairs suffer from lost connection and therefore refuse to run a 0% survivor.

 

Thinking about how to solve the problem of missing pairs in a longer tourney, I came up with the following solution:

 

1. A pair should never be kicked out after the round if the last action of the missing player occurred less then 2 minutes before the end of the round.

 

2. Like in a survivor tourney, in normal swiss pairs are kicked out in case of missing players, but only if there is an even number of pair that qualify for being kicked out. This may result one pair/round being matched against an incomplete pair, but this is better than being removed.

 

3. The direcotor gets the ablility to replace a missing but non-red player by "sitout", thereby creating a pair that is a candidate for the removal at the end of the round, and the chance to use the inviting subbing procedure on this sitout subsequently.

 

This way, you never really need subs - all missing player issues can be solved by incomplete pairs leaving automatically at the end of the round. And in order avoid a complete pair having a sitout for several board, just make it 1 board per round. This is also causes the breaks between the rounds become shorter. It is always really boring if you finish both boards of a round within 8 minutes to have to wait 8 minutes after that.

 

Karl

[bearmum]

Hi,

Back when I had time on my hands, I hosted 4 marathon tournies, 70 hands.  They took about 8 hours.  Uday was interested in the boundary-checking aspect of it.

 

In all of them, only about 1 out of 40 pairs would stay the whole time intact.  Maybe 2 others would stay individually.  What happened was the first tournament had lots of (Av-)'s because there weren't enough players to scrape up in time.  I spent all my time getting subs too.

 

The second tourney I made much smaller, which helped immensely.  Still nobody stayed the whole time, but subbing was easier.

 

Now the sub-requesting software is better which helps.  Also, more players seem in tune with how tournies go (lots of new users before).  It would be more desireable for me to serve such a tourney now than then.

 

Later,

Dan

WOW EIGHT hours is a VERY VERY long time to expect ANYBODY to play a bridge tournament!!! :lol:

 

Having said that I believe that the usual 12 -18 hand tourney is FAR too short I would prefer one which would last about 2 hours ( assuming it was at a time when I COULD play ( and being 12 hrs ahead of EST is NOT a good time I admit :lol: )

I also feel that IF somebody were running a 2 hour tourney ONLY those people who have

1 A GOOD fast connection

 

2 A record of NOT disconnecting with BAD results on boards

 

should be alloewd to enter -- and I guess THAT could be a problem for the director to filter the players wanting to play :lol:

[spwdo]

hi,

 

 

sorry have to cancell today edition of marathon tourney, next week it will be held for players who registered themselves to ibd website.

 

http://www.internetbridgedomain.com/

 

Regards Marc

[slothy]

Dear Marc,

 

I have read your posts in this thread and others with deep concern. Because i regard you as a friend i have decided to try and help you.

 

Please follow these links. Good Luck my (ex) friend

 

Alessio.

 

First Things First

 

Second Things Second (But concentrate on First first)

 

I hope it is wurth it :D

 

May i say, in the words of the great Confucius, after a counselling session he had after he accidently flushed his aquaphobic goldfish down the toilet after it had binged on chocolate and blueberry fish-flakes,

 

 

-----

"ta-ka mi sha wooo fi-ta-kaaa ibi hwú fu bila minakyaaaaaa-á ti ma bwaaa ne-ta ko"

 

which roughly translated - sorry my understanding of 5 century BC Chinese not what it should be -

 

 

-----

"He who use fork to cut bread tangles jock-strap with the fishing-net of Japanese sailor"

 

No idea what relevance it has to this post,or anything else for that matter, but it is something you should take on board...

 

Yet again your friend Alex

[jtfanclub]

Having said that I believe that the usual 12 -18 hand tourney is FAR too short I would prefer one which would last about 2 hours

18 boards X 7 minutes per board=126 minutes, or a little over two hours.

 

My Two Hour Tourney actually averages about 1 hour and 45 minutes, but there are times when it takes longer (due to a server going down and/or a lack of subs). Unless I'm mistaken, Fun Fishy averages about the same.

 

I would love to run a 3 hour tourney (28 boards*), but if I do I'm charging for it. If people have to pay for it, they're more likely to stay. The problem (including with my current tourneys) is a lack of substitutes, or problems with substitutes. I'd say half of the subs I get don't stay the entire time, because they didn't know that the tourney was in the first round and they can't stay that long. Or they end up subbed in with somebody who's totally incompatible. Or there was a good reason why the original player left in the first place. If they can stay for one round, then that's one round where I didn't need a sub (and makes it more likely the new sub can remain until the end). But I'd be much happier if we could pre-register subs.

 

*The first and last rounds always take longer, due to subbing and not wanting to adjust after the tourney is finished.

[spwdo]

Dear Marc,

 

I have read your posts in this thread and others with deep concern. Because i regard you as a friend i have decided to try and help you.

 

Please follow these links. Good Luck my (ex) friend

 

Alessio.

 

First Things First

 

Second Things Second (But concentrate on First first)

 

I hope it is wurth it B)

 

May i say, in the words of the great Confucius, after a counselling session he had after he accidently flushed his aquaphobic goldfish down the toilet after it had binged on chocolate and blueberry fish-flakes,

 

 

-----

"ta-ka mi sha wooo fi-ta-kaaa ibi hwú fu bila minakyaaaaaa-á ti ma bwaaa ne-ta ko"

 

which roughly translated - sorry my understanding of 5 century BC Chinese not what it should be -

 

 

-----

"He who use fork to cut bread tangles jock-strap with the fishing-net of Japanese sailor"

 

No idea what relevance it has to this post,or anything else for that matter, but it is something you should take on board...

 

Yet again your friend Alex

Dear Alex,

 

 

How i missed you, forums just not the same without you, these days i only look every other day at forum and behold i missed on of your humerous posts, Having spend all my energy and time into "first things first" i have no wicked response to yours, hope u can forgive me.

 

 

A gratefull (ex)friend

[skorchev]

Mark, I like your idea for marathon tourneys and if you need my help you have it!

 

Just a little idea from me - if you create tourney which take 5-6 hours or more you may create a group of TDs and every member of this group to direct a part of this long tourney, for example: if your tourney is 6 hours long and you have 3 TDs available everyone will direct 2 hours and the work will be much much easier.

 

Stefan

[hallway]

Thank you Marc for your Birthday Gift to the BIL

 

Your MARATHON was a treat enjoyed by those who took part

 

24 x 8 minute boards = plenty of time to think about bidding/play (BILlies need that)

 

a short comfort break half way through - very welcome

 

and only 2 Subs needed

 

The BIL will be asking for more for sure.

 

Interestingly I was concerned that Cascade would lose most of his class for his Thursday lesson due to start 15 minutes after the Marathon finished because a large % of them were playing in the Marathon. NOT SO - obviously playing 24 boards had just got them warmed up :rolleyes: Cascade's lesson (usually 11/12 tables) had 16 tables today.

 

Thx ;)

[spwdo]

Hi Maureen ♥,

 

 

it was a real pleasure to direct, as u pointed out only a couple of subs were needed, those in fact came and apoligiest for losing their connection, soo nice :rolleyes: .

 

May i add to that that directing for BIL is compared to more open fields a walk in the park, no subs, no fuzz, no arguments, no fights, no disconnects,no dummyclaims, no languages besides english, al alerts when needed.

 

Nice club you have (knew it all along), congrats to you and your assistants and members.

 

 

Keep going and many years more

 

Marc

[bearmum]

Hi Maureen ♥,

 

 

it was a real pleasure to direct, as u pointed out only a couple of subs were needed, those in fact came and apoligiest for losing their connection, soo nice  :) .

 

May i add to that that directing for BIL is compared to more open fields a walk in the park, no subs, no fuzz, no arguments, no fights, no disconnects,no dummyclaims, no languages besides english, al alerts when needed.

 

Nice club you have (knew it all along), congrats to you and your assistants and members.

 

 

Keep going and many years more

 

Marc

I only WISH I could have played in it - BUT time wise MOST of BIL tourneys are awful for me ( 12 hrs ahead of EST - SOO to be 13 (after daylight savings end) -- SO Maybe IF you could have a few tourneys one hour later ?? I could get up at 6AM for one or two B)