Forcing Bids for GIBS

[onoway]

It's distressing at how the GIBS do not honor the description that their bids offer either for their own bids or mine. I have been unable to find a bid that GIB honors as forcing..not a jump to a new suit at 3 level not new minor forcing, not a X that the GIB description defines as being a forcing takeout D, all are happilly passed. The last two hands I have played had 1)a bid described as forcing to 2nt passed and 2)a X described as a takeout double passed. It's frustrating to try to play with them and find them so capricious.

 

I have had numerous auctions which start out identical and then the GIB goes off on a tangent completely at odds from other tables also with 3 GIBS and a human, for absolutely no apparent reason.

 

The idea of playing with GIBS is to try to upgrade my own very moderate skills in bidding and play, but it's beginning to seem as this is no more possible with GIBs than with random partners. At least GIBS dont walk off in the middle of a hand or snarl, but that's not a lot of comfort. GIB has passed what it describes as forcing bids having up to 10 points as responder and once so far even having opened the bidding and then refusing to continue in spite of my bids being what they themselves describe as forcing.

 

I have begun playing TP with them so as to try different bids so see if it's my bidding mistakes but how to correct when they define the bids but dont react appropriately within that definition? it's very frustrating. :blink:

[barmar]

It would probably help Ari if you posted the hands in question.

 

Is this in tournaments or the MBC? GIB is set to play faster (i.e. fewer hands in its simulations) in the MBC than tournaments, so it probably does more stupid things there.

[onoway]

it's in IAC. If I can't understand how to get along with them in a club I definitely don't want to pay to play in a tourney with them.

 

It may be that I have them set too fast, though the setting isn't at top speed..I tried slowing them down more for a while but when it was taking 20 seconds for them to decide to play a singleton or a low card from dummy when they had just played the Ace from their hand, I speeded them up again. Maybe that's the problem then.

[Bbradley62]

retracted

[cloa513]

You should be thanking GIB for its good judgement- NS can't make any more than 2NT for 120 and 1 down doubled vulnerable is 200.

[helene_t]

I have seen it pass unassuming cuebids a couple of times. As I understand it, when it uses simulations there is no concept of a forcing bid, if PASS is the winning action in the simulations it just does that.

 

I think it's ok. On one occasion it was right, with a yarb and six cards in opps' suit it first bid its 3-card suit in response to my t/o double but then passed my cuebid. I gather some human experts would have done the same.

[Bbradley62]

Here's one of his hands, where I think the "forcing" part of the description is misleading.

http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer...SJ%7Cpc%7CDQ%7C

 

The description of South's double is "4+D; 2+H; 13+ total points; forcing to 3NT".

[cloa513]

N-S should make 4D but onoway misplayed the hand- EW should go down in at least 3H-1X but with GIBs poor play it will be 3H-2X onoway needs to discard only diamonds rather clubs.

[Bbradley62]

That doesn't change the fact that the description of the double, combined with North's subsequent pass, seems odd, which (I think) is the valid point that OP is trying to make.