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[jillybean]

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My regular partner and I would both open this 1♠ however, I am discussing this hand with another player. Help my argument, why shouldn't this be opened 2♣, or why it should if that's your plan.

[TylerE]

I open 2♣, because I'm planning on always driving to at least 6M, and I think if I open 1♠ I'm going to run out of forcing bids rather quickly, and it could get awkward if opponents start bidding lots in the minors.

[hanp]

Who knows what opening bid works best on such a hand. I don't think that there is anything wrong with 2C.

[CSGibson]

I'm opening 1 spade because it will be very easy to make forcing, descriptive bids, and because I expect opponents to compete in the minors, making it important to get my suits in quickly. I also do not fear 1 spade being passed out, and do not have the defense that a 2 club opening suggests.

[inquiry]

Hanp asked, "Who knows what opening bid works best on such a hand"

 

I can answer that question. Inquiry knows.

 

However, you don't really want to know what I would like to open this hand, as it will not help you with your original question..... ;)

 

My second bid will be 5♥ however.

[manudude03]

1♠ followed by 3♥ followed by 6♥ for me. Hopefully partner will get the message.

[gwnn]

You know you played too many indies on BBO when you know the penalty for 7NTxx-13 vulnerable ;)

[pooltuna]

I have no real problem with any of 1♠, 2♣, specific ace 4NT with a 6♠ rebid if partner doesnt bid 5♠, or even 6♥ or 6♠. Since you are V vs NV the advantage of the higher level calls is that it makes sacrificing more difficult.

[bucky]

Technically speaking, this is not a 2♣ opener, since you ain't got much defense. On surface it may not matter much on this hand, since you may well have decided to drive to slam no matter what. But the problem is, 2♣ paints a wrong picture of your hand. Say you open 2♣ then bid spades then hearts and drive to 6 level, partner is looking at two minor suit aces, should he raise to 7 or not?

 

I would open 1♠ followed by 6♥. Partner will know to raise me to 7 only with an ace or king in the major.

[nige1]

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2♣ (_P) 7N (_X)

_P (_P) XX AP

-7600? Just a bottom!

;) :) :) :) :)

 

I still vote 2♣=10, 1♠=9.

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[whereagles]

If you're playing some gadget which asks for specific aces, by all means use it (french 2♦, 4NT opener, etc). Not having that I'd open 6♠.

[Gerardo]

Although i usually dislike to open 2♣ with 2 suiters, because they can't be easily described, this doesn't seems to be the case here.

 

As per not much defense, in this case bidding one more seems to be adequate.

 

So 2♣. Might backfire if bidding comes back at 6 level, with partner silent.

[Phil]

I haven't heard any good reasons to open 2♣.

 

1♠ for me. At least partner won't jump to 7N over that!

[jdonn]

I haven't heard any good reasons to open 2♣.

 

1♠ for me. At least partner won't jump to 7N over that!

I haven't heard a good reason not to, assuming we don't count partner being insane. Here's a good reason to open 2♣. Opening 1♠ might leave you playing at the 1 level with a cold slam.

[Phil]

Opening 1♠ might leave you playing at the 1 level with a cold slam.

Don't hold your breath.

[junyi_zhu]

[hv=d=s&v=n&s=skqjxxxxhakjxxxdc]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv]

 

My regular partner and I would both open this 1♠ however I am discussing this hand with another player. Help my argument why this shouldn't be opened 2♣, or why it should if that's your plan.

This is a clear 1S opening. You really need a lot of high card controls to open 2C. With at least 6 to 7 controls, you probably don't mind partner pushing to 6NT with a few kings and queens.

[jdonn]

Opening 1♠ might leave you playing at the 1 level with a cold slam.

Don't hold your breath.

Balancing seat, if he is smart, often passes out a major suit opening with fair values when short in one or both majors.

 

Anyway ignore that for now. 1♠ 1NT 3♥ 3NT you don't know whether 4 is the limit or not. After 2♣ a slam can still be missed but it would be a lot easier to get cooperation from partner.

[helene_t]

2♣. Over minor suits preempts we can probably cuebid or bid 4/5NT or something to show a two-suited hand.

[olien]

Why not 5♣ double exclusion RKC? xD

[mikeh]

In real life, I'd gladly give 100-1 against the combo that 1♠ is passed out and we get a bad board.

 

Whereas I suspect that the chances of avoiding disaster when it exists, is less than even after a 2♣ call.

 

And in the meantime, when we have a good reachable spot, I fail to see what advantage 2♣ has. Yes, we don't stop in 1♠, but most of the time when we do, we get a good board compared to what the 2♣ bidders attain. And when partner responds, we have lots of ways to force and to describe our freak.

 

There are layouts no freakier than our hand on which we probably need a heart lead to beat either of 3 grand slams....that is a very, very strong clue that 2♣ is wrong:)

 

And an unrelated but simple illustration: imagine LHO has a strong 1N over call...not likely but we are missing a heck of a lot of hcp.....if we open 2♣, he stays out until and unless we get high enough for him to double. We open 1♠ and we get warned. Sure, this is a small target, and I don't suggest this is why we open 1♠...there are lots of reasons, but this is an easy one to understand.

[jdonn]

And when partner responds, we have lots of ways to force and to describe our freak.

Such as?

[pooltuna]

for those who strongly favor a first level opening call why not kill 2 birds with one stone ....open 1♦ :)

[manudude03]

So partner can convert all our "signoffs" into 7♦ when he has 2263?

 

Anyway, part of the reason I'm opening 1♠ is so partner doesn't insist on NT with say AJT in both minors.

[rduran1216]

I think 2C is awful

 

how bout if it goes 2C 5D p p ?

[TylerE]

You bid 6♠ like you were always planning to anyway?