black 8-count

[hanp]

I wonder how people deal with this kind of hand

 

KJxx

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10x

KJ109xx

 

Red against white, imps, 1H - (1S) - ??

 

If you bid 2C, what will you rebid if partner bids 2D?

[Phil]

1N. Not enamored with it but like 2♣ less.

[tgoodwinsr]

Two clubs is fine, then three clubs.

[W Kovacs]

Nothing is forcing me to bid here. I pass and see if partner can add anything next round.

[Flameous]

NF 2♣, followed by 2NT.

If not possible, 1NT.

[aguahombre]

It is always good to have our bids be non forcing or forcing, or GF whenever the right hand comes up for that style.

 

Phil and Flame are doing the best they can with this hand. I can never get things right after passing with a response, so more power to those who can, like Mr. Kovacs.

[gnasher]

Playing natural methods, I'd bid 1NT, then 3♣ on the next round if there is one.

 

Playing transfers from double upwards, I would make a constructive-or-better transfer to clubs.

[aguahombre]

Playing natural methods, I'd bid 1NT, then 3♣ on the next round if there is one.

yup

[andy_h]

A forcing 2C then a non-forcing 3C. 1NT seems a bit weird with a good suit and a 6-4 shape.

[pooltuna]

Playing natural methods, I'd bid 1NT, then 3♣ on the next round if there is one.

yup

yep

[aguahombre]

A forcing 2C then a non-forcing 3C. 1NT seems a bit weird with a good suit and a 6-4 shape.

true. But it also seems a bit wierd to not show a double spade stop within your strength and pattern.

[the hog]

2C to start off with, followed by 3C.

1NT with this shape is decidedly odd to say the least.

[Codo]

I choose the odd bid.

Yip.

[whereagles]

I would pass for the moment. The spade length makes it unlikely LHO will blast to 3-something.

[gwnn]

pass

[Fluffy]

play NFBs, if I didn't I'm stuck with 1NT because if I pass we are really stuck when partner reopens with 2 red.

[Hanoi5]

I thought Pass to be a great option, but then I thought I had a bigger problem after Pass-Double-Pass. In fact, that's a great follow-up question Bridge-World-style. 2♣? 3♣? 1NT? 2NT? Not easy.

 

If playing SAYC 2♣ would be nice. Playing 2/1 1NT might be better, but I'm not sure.

[ArtK78]

I thought Pass to be a great option, but then I thought I had a bigger problem after Pass-Double-Pass. In fact, that's a great follow-up question Bridge-World-style. 2♣? 3♣? 1NT? 2NT? Not easy.

 

If playing SAYC 2♣ would be nice. Playing 2/1 1NT might be better, but I'm not sure.

It doesn't matter whether you are playing SAYC or 2/1. After the overcall, the 2♣ bid is natural and a one-round force, and does not promise the same values as a 2♣ bid not in competition.

 

I would not ignore the good six card suit despite the good spade holding. I bid 2♣ intending to bid 2NT over 2♦, 3♣ otherwise.

[bucky]

I thought Pass to be a great option, but then I thought I had a bigger problem after Pass-Double-Pass. In fact, that's a great follow-up question Bridge-World-style. 2♣? 3♣? 1NT? 2NT? Not easy.

 

If playing SAYC 2♣ would be nice. Playing 2/1 1NT might be better, but I'm not sure.

I do not understand why SAYC or 2/1 would make difference here. Even in 2/1, 1NT in comp won't be forcing, and 2♣ in comp is forcing for 1 round but not game. In short, SAYC and 2/1 treat the 1NT/2♣ exactly the same way.

 

If I had passed initially and partner reopened with X, I would have a pretty easy 3♣ bid. But I wouldn't be as well placed had partner reopened with a red suit. For this reason I prefer bidding immediately, probably starting with 2♣ then non-forcing 3♣. It so happens that my partner likes to stretch to respond, so my hand is not going to upset him if I bid this way.

[the hog]

I thought Pass to be a great option, but then I thought I had a bigger problem after Pass-Double-Pass. In fact, that's a great follow-up question Bridge-World-style. 2♣? 3♣? 1NT? 2NT? Not easy.

 

If playing SAYC 2♣ would be nice. Playing 2/1 1NT might be better, but I'm not sure.

It doesn't matter whether you are playing SAYC or 2/1. After the overcall, the 2♣ bid is natural and a one-round force, and does not promise the same values as a 2♣ bid not in competition.

 

I would not ignore the good six card suit despite the good spade holding. I bid 2♣ intending to bid 2NT over 2♦, 3♣ otherwise.

Here we go again. After intervention, a 2/1 MAY be forcing or MAY be a -ve free bid, depending on your agreements. This has NOTHING to do with 2/1, SAYC or the Macchu Picchu Diamond system. Ok it may be focing for YOU. That doesn't man it is for the rest of the world.

Fluffy, this is a decent 2C -ve free bid imo.

[aguahombre]

Yep. Here we go again. If 2C meets your particular standards, it still doesn't necessarily mean it is the right bid on this hand.

 

1-You need to be sure it meets partner's standards as well.

2-Even if that is a given, perhaps Gnasher's plan of 1NT, then 3C if allowed later, will work out better; giving a total picture.

[jonottawa]

1N 100

2N 80

2C 70

P 30

 

When aiming for a filthy red 3N usually best not to draw the defense a roadmap.

[hanp]

fwiw I think 2C is the best bid with this hand. It's a little light but you have a good suit. To my mind, 1NT is a far bigger misdescription.

[dake50]

When I see a misfit (0-1 support for partner's hearts) I go slow. Here pass.

If I bid 2C I promise H:xx+ or near GF hcp.

 

THE feature that helps most in game decision is 1NT showing S-stop and no fear (enough hcp to be near game) on this hand.

[bucky]

1N 100

2N 80

2C 70

P 30

 

When aiming for a filthy red 3N usually best not to draw the defense a roadmap.

Funny that 2N receives a positive score.