responding to 1C opener

[Bbradley62]

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[Gerben42]

The most important question in an indi is not what the textbook bid is but who is at the table. Unless I think that partner is a reasonable player, I will bid 1NT.

[pooltuna]

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just the 4 card major I need... to play opposite 9874 :( of course IMO this is an unbiddable one

[hrothgar]

The most important question in an indi is not what the textbook bid is but who is at the table. Unless I think that partner is a reasonable player, I will bid 1NT.

The real danger with this approach is that there is a significant degree of overlap between

 

1. The set of people that you really don't want to declare NT

2. The set of people who have no idea what to rebid after 1♣ - 1NT

[gwnn]

1n is fine

[whereagles]

usually 1♥, unless pard is incompetent ahah

[Gerben42]

The real danger with this approach is that there is a significant degree of overlap between

 

1. The set of people that you really don't want to declare NT

2. The set of people who have no idea what to rebid after 1♣ - 1NT

 

Okay at this point I want to tell a story: You have

 

♠Qxxx

♥Qxxx

♦Qxx

♣Ax

 

Not bad, and @ German indi championships, white vs red with elderly lady against two top players partner opens 1♣. RHO doubles and you bid 1N. Partner shocks you with 2♠ and RHO bids 3♦. What do you do?

[Bbradley62]

Not bad, and @ German indi championships, white vs red with elderly lady against two top players partner opens 1♣. RHO doubles and you bid 1N. Partner shocks you with 2♠ and RHO bids 3♦. What do you do?

I presume HCP are 15-15-10-0 and bid 4♠.

[neilkaz]

Lets see... 9 HCP, 4333 that is often poor for suit contracts and 4 weak trumps.

 

I slightly prefer 1NT opposite a pard who almost never raises with 3 cards and clearly 1NT if pard often raises with 3 cards.

[655321]

1♥

 

The most important question in an indi is not what the textbook bid is but who is at the table.

 

OP always posts hands bid by GIB.

[hrothgar]

Not bad, and @ German indi championships, white vs red with elderly lady against two top players partner opens 1♣. RHO doubles and you bid 1N. Partner shocks you with 2♠ and RHO bids 3♦. What do you do?

I presume HCP are 15-15-10-0 and bid 4♠.

I presume that partner has a 4=3=2=4 hand and 12 HCP and is patterning out.

 

I pass

[gszeszycki]

I would choose 1d for the following reasons

 

1. There is a reasonable minority of hands where opener has to raise to 2h with 3 card support and this hand would hate that.

 

2. I would avoid 1n because if p can bid 1h I would much prefer to be in the 44 heart fit (yes even 2345 opposite 6789).

 

3. I have nothing in my hand that need protection from the opening lead. My 1d bid

greatly increases the probability that opener (and the stronger hand) will become declarer.

 

4. I do not consider it to be a huge distortion to show a 4 card dia suit with 3 decent ones since we normally avoid the minors like a plague anyway.

 

Let the fireworks begin:)

[Bbradley62]

1♥

 

The most important question in an indi is not what the textbook bid is but who is at the table.

 

OP always posts hands bid by GIB.

Not always, and not in this case. I held this hand in an individual event with three unknown (to me) players at the table. I don't know what possessed me to bid 1NT; on hands like this I religiously bid my 4card major. And, of course, I got my ears pinned back.

[aguahombre]

1♥

 

The most important question in an indi is not what the textbook bid is but who is at the table.

 

OP always posts hands bid by GIB.

Not always, and not in this case. I held this hand in an individual event with three unknown (to me) players at the table. I don't know what possessed me to bid 1NT; on hands like this I religiously bid my 4card major. And, of course, I got my ears pinned back.

looking for vindication, or just fessing up?

[Bbradley62]

looking for vindication, or just fessing up?

trying to determine whether I did something wrong or whether it was a normal play...

[andy_h]

1NT.

[aguahombre]

I take back whatever I said about people having a better scheme of responses to 1C than to 1D. I forgot about the masterminds

[the hog]

1H for me.

[aguahombre]

1H for me.

so rarely we agree :o

[P_Marlowe]

1H.

 

If you have no clue, go with standard, unless you are certain,

that the alternative is clearly better.

 

After 1H, you have clear understanding, how the auction will

develop, if you bid something undiscussed, strange, well, than

be not suprised, if the auction develops in an surprising way.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

 

PS: If you are partnered with GIB, than 1H is clearly obvious, simply

because GIB is using simulations tto determine his next bid.

And 1NT tells him, no 4H, no 4S, and I would not be suprised, if he

will also assume, that you have no 4 diamonds, i.e. he will give you at

least 4clubs.

If you feed the simulation with wrong paramters, than the result will

be what ever.

[gwnn]

I don't think it's being a mastermind if you think that a certain action will work out bad if you do it so you don't do it. Of course being a mastermind is a subset of the above; it is when you do so based on the conception (fact?) that your partner is an idiot.

 

I think it's definitely right to conceal a 4 card major in 4333 hands every now and again even if your system requires you to show it normally/"always". It is arguable that J9x is not enough in spades, hence 1♥ is superior, however I don't believe so.

[Siegmund]

This may of course not matter to many people in an individual... but does it occur to you that the way people in individuals get reputations as idiots is by making bizarre bids and plays?

 

In the context of an established partnership with an understanding partner, I think it's just fine if you choose between 1NT and 1H freely on this hand. In the context of a random stranger, I think you have to bid 1H, else your semi-competent but unimaginative partner will assume you are an idiot and treat you accordingly for the rest of the round. That could easily cost you a whole lot more than you can possibly gain by bidding 1NT here even if 1NT works well.

[bucky]

This may of course not matter to many people in an individual... but does it occur to you that the way people in individuals get reputations as idiots is by making bizarre bids and plays?

 

In the context of an established partnership with an understanding partner, I think it's just fine if you choose between 1NT and 1H freely on this hand. In the context of a random stranger, I think you have to bid 1H, else your semi-competent but unimaginative partner will assume you are an idiot and treat you accordingly for the rest of the round. That could easily cost you a whole lot more than you can possibly gain by bidding 1NT here even if 1NT works well.

What if this is the last board in current round? :)

[aguahombre]

I don't think it's being a mastermind if you think that a certain action will work out bad if you do it so you don't do it. Of course being a mastermind is a subset of the above; it is when you do so based on the conception (fact?) that your partner is an idiot.

 

Yes, of course. I am not used to indy's, and my pard is not used to me operating her (nor is she an idiot). If I bid 1NT instead of 1H, a reg pard will think I am masterminding to be declarer; and that is not good for morale whether it is sucessful on this hand or not.

 

Opposite a pard who really is bad, and/or wouldn't notice ---1NT would be fine.

[gwnn]

That's interesting. My regular partners would usually understand the reasons for 1N - weak major and 4333 and it makes it hard for opps to find spades; they would not automatically agree with it preference but they would not think I am trying to be declarer. Maybe it is because I'm such a bad declarer that none of my regular partners can believe that I consider

myself superior to them :blink: