Preference?

[Echognome]

[hv=d=n&v=e&s=skt75h82d942ck542]133|100|Scoring: MP

1♥ - 1♠;

2♣ - ?[/hv]

 

Stick or twist?

[rogerclee]

Cannot imagine bidding. Even if I played 2D = weak preference (or GF) I would still pass.

[mikeh]

pass...

 

I'd like a little more strength to make the preference, since partner may bid again with a near jumpshift, and my hand isn't likely to be good for him. And, at the other end of the spectrum, if he is weak, the 4=4 (I dream of 4=5) fit may be enough to salvage 90 as opposed to -50 or may push at 110

 

Even if partner has manufactured a 3 card bid, with an awkward hand, our poor result in 2♣ (if it is a poor result) may be matched by a poor result when he bids over 2♥ anyway.

 

BTW, the normal lead against 2♣ on these auctions is a trump and that is likely to be good for us on this hand.

[Phil]

Pass.

[aguahombre]

It seems the only difference of opinion between Mike and Phil is about the number of words needed. I agree with every word of both.

[jdonn]

wtp

[Echognome]

[hv=d=n&v=e&n=sahakqt4d875cjt87&w=sq98643h6dakj3cq9&e=sj2hj9753dqt6ca63&s=skt75h82d942ck542]399|300|Scoring: MP

1♥ - 1♠;

2♣ - All Pass[/hv]

 

Lead: ♠J

Result: +110

MP: 10 out of 11

[aguahombre]

I guess we passed the quiz. Seems like plus 90 is more likely, so the big 10 of 11 was a gift above the perhaps 7 MP

[Echognome]

I guess we passed the quiz.

So did I. Just surprised it was worth 10 out of 11. I did understand that sometimes you give preference with 2-4, but thought the hand was too weak for that action.

[rogerclee]

I guess we passed the quiz.

So did I. Just surprised it was worth 10 out of 11. I did understand that usually you give preference with 2-4, but thought the hand was too weak for that action.

FYP

[hanp]

I might have tried 2S in the passout seat.

[kgr]

We have the strange agreement that 2♣ is forcing here (12-20). Because of that, Opener would probably choose to bid 1NT iso 2♣.

[whereagles]

I did understand that sometimes you give preference with 2-4, but thought the hand was too weak for that action.

You usually give preference if the hand is too STRONG. Here's why:

 

xx

AKQxx

Kx

KQxx

 

Axxx

Jx

Qxx

Jxxx

 

If you decide to pass 2♣, you might miss out on a good 3NT, which you would reach if you had bid it

 

1♥ 1♠

2♣ 2♥

2NT 3NT

 

So you should pass with a 4-2 if the hand is weak, not strong.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

if 2C showed a 4 card suit, this is a wtp pass.

if 2C could be based on 3 cards, I would most likely bid 2H.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

 

PS: I am not good at analyzing - but 2H makes as well?

[gwnn]

So you should pass with a 4-2 if the hand is weak, not strong.

And that is exactly what Echognome said :)

 

Are you coming to the Azores?

[whereagles]

So you should pass with a 4-2 if the hand is weak, not strong.

And that is exactly what Echognome said :)

 

Are you coming to the Azores?

Right. I read it the other way around lol.

 

No azores for me. Too busy these days :)

[junyi_zhu]

I guess we passed the quiz.

So did I. Just surprised it was worth 10 out of 11. I did understand that sometimes you give preference with 2-4, but thought the hand was too weak for that action.

That's not because of the bidding. You made 9 tricks in C, which is quite impossible against normal defense. A natural line would be cashing two H trick, and you'll get ruffed, three diamonds and another H would put you down one. Even if you play C to CK at trick two, then you can play SK to pitch a diamond. Still, your opp can ruff your second H later with CQ, then play DK and D low to partner's Q, his partner can draw CA and Cx, In that case, you can only make 8 tricks. So at the table, your opp probably cashed DA and DK instead.

[Rodney26]

PS: I am not good at analyzing - but 2H makes as well?

Club ace followed by four diamonds looks like a straightforward way to six tricks on defense in hearts -- many other ways as well. I'm sure a couple North players rebid 2H over 1S.

 

I like pass; I'm not sure a hand where one strain splits 3-2 and the other 5-1 proves its merit but like it nonetheless.