Redouble Trouble (of sorts)

[Echognome]

[hv=d=s&v=e&s=sq8hak84dq6cq9543]133|100|Scoring: MP

1♣ - (Dbl) - ReDbl - (1♠);

P - (P) - 1NT - (P);

?[/hv]

 

1. Do you agree with your pass over 1♠?

 

2. What now?

[Codo]

I have the agreement that XX is forcing till 2 NT (or penalty X). So I obey and bid 2 NT to show my weak NT type hand.

Without this agreement I would still bid it.

 

Second choice is never pass but 3 NT.

[hanp]

Pass, minimum balanced hand. Partner probably has a 10-count or so, why go any higher?

[655321]

Pass, should be a good contract.

[Flameous]

Pass as it's MP, in IMPs I'd bid 2H.

[Codo]

Serious question: How strong would 1 NT be for you instead of a XX?

6-9? 7-9?

 

I thought 8-10 is the most common hand type for this "free bid"- and then 10 HCPS are quite impossible in partners hand.

But this would not be the first case where my opinions about the majority view is way different from the majority view. :rolleyes:

[jdonn]

Pass as it's MP, in IMPs I'd bid 2H.

Since your pass over 1♠ is forcing and doesn't deny extra values (maybe you want to see if partner can double) then I don't see why 2♥ now wouldn't show normal reversing values.

[Fluffy]

becasue partner has promised 4♥ and 4♦ on this sequence. My queens ain't great for a suit contract anyway, I'd pass.

[hanp]

Partner has promised 4 hearts and 4 diamonds? OK!

[jdonn]

Why has partner promised 4 hearts and 4 diamonds? Have you never been 3343 before? 3253?

[hanp]

what Josh said. I also think that partner can have 4 spades.

[Fluffy]

Why has partner promised 4 hearts and 4 diamonds? Have you never been 3343 before? 3253?

yeah 3343 is pass then double to show any 4333 10-11, 3253 has no business looking for penalties and bids 1♦, anything else? :P

[hanp]

What do you do with 4-3-4-2?

[jdonn]

Why has partner promised 4 hearts and 4 diamonds? Have you never been 3343 before? 3253?

yeah 3343 is pass then double to show any 4333 10-11, 3253 has no business looking for penalties and bids 1♦, anything else? :P

Um, disagree and disagree? Lol why do I want to let the opponents off the hook just to show my very important 5 cards in the other minor!

[Fluffy]

What do you do with 4-3-4-2?

redouble and double

[Phil]

What do you do with 4-3-4-2?

redouble and double

I don't four spades is an excuse to nail them at the one level.

 

I'll pass 1N. Would Gnasher say its forcing?

[pooltuna]

1) no problem as I have nothing the say

 

2) pass. IMO this should be a near par score as 9 tricks looks a tad far.

[MFA]

Pass. In partner's shoes I would not necessarily double 1♠ just because I have four of them.

[Echognome]

[hv=d=s&v=e&n=sajth962dj87cajt2&w=sk32hqt75dak94ck8&e=s97654hj3dt532c76&s=sq8hak84dq6cq9543]399|300|Scoring: MP

1♣ - (Dbl) - ReDbl - (1♠);

P - (P) - 1NT - All Pass[/hv]

 

Lead: ♠5

 

Result: +180

 

MP: 3.5 out of 11

[gnasher]

I don't four spades is an excuse to nail them at the one level.

 

In that case, what was the point of redoubling?

 

I'll pass 1N. Would Gnasher say its forcing?

No, why would I say that? I think it shows about 10-11.

 

Lol why do I want to let the opponents off the hook just to show my very important 5 cards in the other minor!

The wider the range of shapes that redouble, the harder it is for the partnership to judge whether to defend. Knowing that responder doesn't have a five-card makes it easier for opener to decide whether to double.

 

Having said that, I'm not really on the same page as you - I'm not very interested in taking a penalty from the opponents' best fit at the one-level. From a constructive point of view, it certainly makes sense to show your five-card suit while you can.

[Phil]

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[ArtK78]

[hv=d=s&v=e&n=sajth962dj87cajt2&w=sk32hqt75dak94ck8&e=s97654hj3dt532c76&s=sq8hak84dq6cq9543]399|300|Scoring: MP

1♣ - (Dbl) - ReDbl - (1♠);

P - (P) - 1NT - All Pass[/hv]

 

Lead: ♠5

 

Result: +180

 

MP: 3.5 out of 11

Responder's hand is too good for a mere 1NT, unless 1NT is forcing. It was worth an invitational bid before the opponents intervened, and it is still worth an invitational bid. If anything, it has improved because of the AJT holdings over the opponent with strength.