1eyedjack Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 http://online.bridgebase.com/cgi-bin/history.pl?...92165679-884688 I didn't like raising only to 2♥, and would not have done if it was IMPs. It was a pickup partnership with no prior discussion, and I decided that 2♥ was the lesser lie than 3♥, resolved to accept any game try (which did not materialise), and the possibility of bidding again after interference was an added attraction (well done opps). Is this one of those hands well suited to Bergen's 3♣ raise, showing a raise to 2.5 Hearts with 4 card support? If so, should opener then bid game with ♣xx instead of ♣Qx? The ♣Q is absolutely worthless on this hand and yet 4♥ is still one to be in. Do you think that opener is worth another try after the raise to 2♥? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 [hv=d=s&v=a&n=sak74hkqt42d74cq2&w=sqj3ha86djt3ckjt7&e=st986h5dq952ca986&s=s52hj973dak86c543]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Missing this 22 hcp game with a wasted queen of clubs is hardly a horrible mistake. Some games are just missed. Now for ZAR point people.. EAST is worth 30, and in support, West is worth 22... coming to 52.. so ZAR says game should be reached.. of course getting from 2H to 4H is no easy feat... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted August 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 Simple losing trick count should get you there, perhaps.North has a 6 loser hand (and a good one at that, counting ♣Qx as 2 losers when the Q MIGHT turn out to be of use (OK it doesn't here)).South has an 8 loser hand provided that you only count 2 losers for ♥Jxxx, not an unreasonable evaluation opposite a known 5 card suit, and you don't get many better 1-loser suits than ♦AKxx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 Well playing old romex graded limited raises, this would be bid... 1H - 2H (2H = 2.5 cover cards.. AK = 2, doubleong = 1/2)2S - 4H (2S looking to convert half a cover card in spades to fulll)Pass Misho would be so glad... as he likes this style. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 tough getting to 4H, even playing the theoretically best bid of 2D (flannery) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulhar Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 Switch either player's black suits and you wouldn't want to be in game off four inescapable losers! And yet everything would still apply, the ZAR points, the losing trick count (BTW, I still think jack fourth is three losers, but AKxx is only a half a loser according to Ruben's Modified Losing Trick Count so you're still half a trick shy), and all else discussed here. You would need one heck of a system to tell the difference. Heck, I think I would still miss game after 1H - 3D (7-9 with four hearts). Note that if responder has the ♠QJ and the ♥A, all wonderful cards, you have no play whatsoever for 4H. You need it all - two cover cards for the minors, the doubleton spade, and great trumps to avoid the overruff. Did people really bid this game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 [hv=d=s&v=a&n=sak74hkqt42d74cq2&w=sqj3ha86djt3ckjt7&e=st986h5dq952ca986&s=s52hj973dak86c543]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Of course you had it easy since West (North orginally before the rotation I think) did not open his 12 count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 [hv=d=s&v=a&n=sak74hkqt42d74cq2&w=sqj3ha86djt3ckjt7&e=st986h5dq952ca986&s=s52hj973dak86c543]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Of course you had it easy since West (North orginally before the rotation I think) did not open his 12 count. Actually, a check of the hand record shows that the people who bid game (all of them) faced an opening bid by the hand iwth 12 hcp. True some who didn't also faced an opening bid, but those witout an opening bid didn;t go to game.. so maybe you had it hard becuase they didn't open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 They all faced a tame opening of 1♣. A pre-emptive weak NT may have made it more difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulhar Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 True some who didn't also faced an opening bid, but those witout an opening bid didn;t go to game.. so maybe you had it hard becuase they didn't open. I just looked at these auctions. It appears that most pairs that reached 4H had a player that was either confused about what partner showed, or was simply misbidding. This is more likely when the opponents are in your auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trpltrbl Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 p-p-1♣-1♥X-3♣, and this is where it get's good. This is a bergen raise showing 4 trump and 7-9 HCP, and denies a singleton or void, since I would bid 2 NT with shortness somewhere and 4+ trump. And pd can bid 3♦ with game interest, or X if they interfere. Mike :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trpltrbl Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 tough getting to 4H, even playing the theoretically best bid of 2D (flannery) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... Every convention has some perks, and very maybe this might be one for Flannery.Makes my stomach turn.... :) Mike :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 If you play bergen, it's quite easy imo: 1♥ - 3♣3♦ - 4♥ 3♣ = 6-9 HCP with 4+ ♥ support3♦ = invitational after the 3♣ answer, North has a very nice hand imo... After the invitation, south also has a very nice hand... Tadaa!!! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antoine Fourrière Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 I think 1♥ 3mixed 4♥ is the "right" sequence, but only if you open minimum 5332s with - argh - 1N or with something else - such as a slightly modified Polish Club. Otherwise there are too much chances of going down in 3♥, say opposite a mundane hand such asQJx AQxxx JTx KJx.But a rebid by opener after 1♥ 2♥ seems wrong, because opener is not a favorite to get that ninth trump, although KQT isn't so bad in front of three trumps.The weak notrump isn't all that good: it seems easier to reach 4♥ after a Landy 2♣.As for the ♣Q, it turns a supernatural contract into one which is simply difficult to reach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted August 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 BTW, I still think jack fourth is three losers, but AKxx is only a half a loser according to Ruben's Modified Losing Trick Count so you're still half a trick shy Perhaps Jack fourth is not as good as "2 losers", but it has to be better than "3 losers". If partner has no honours at all then there remains a 40% chance of a 2-2 break limiting your combined losers to 2. So perhaps a fair approximation to the true value is 2.5 losers. Add that to your half a loser for AKxx and you are back on track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabika73 Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 In our partnership, no Bergen from a passed hand. We use Drury, or just raise to 2 with a balanced hand. After Drury, of course, game is reached. After a normal raise to 2, relay asks for shortness. Upon hearing the doubleton spades (2nt), game can be reached (either via 3m, or straigth). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 i don't understand this post... i play drury in this situation also, but to me it isn't a drury hand... i see nothing wrong with jack's 2H bid... it denies limit+, and i'm sure he'd bid 3H if he had to... it makes this time, that's all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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