jillybean Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 [hv=d=w&v=e&n=sq73hk83d952cakt8&s=sakj8542ha6dakc93]133|200|Scoring: IMP(P) P (P) 1♠(P) 4♠ (P) 4N(P) 5♣ (P) 5N(P) 6♣* (P) 6♥(P) 7♠ (P) 7N(P) P (X) AP *specific Kings[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 Is that really how you play your 4♠ bid - a hand that forgot to open? :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuroth Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 I don't mind passing some 12 card 4333s, but this isn't one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 Nicely done Kathryn! By the way, do you play that 6H asks for the heart king? Would you have had a way to find the grand slam if north held the club or diamond queen instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuroth Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 By the way, do you play that 6H asks for the heart king? That's what I assumed - sort of a "we're good up to this suit" bid. We'll see if that's actually what her agreement was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 well i approve of north's original pass, but i also approve of the lack of XX - if partner thinks that's a 4S bid, there's a good chance he also thinks he's got an ace when he doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 Nicely done Kathryn! By the way, do you play that 6H asks for the heart king? Would you have had a way to find the grand slam if north held the club or diamond queen instead? Would the sequence (starting at 5N) 5N-6C, 6H-6S, 6N....suggest going to 7 with anything extra in clubs or diamonds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted September 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 Nicely done Kathryn! By the way, do you play that 6H asks for the heart king? Would you have had a way to find the grand slam if north held the club or diamond queen instead? Yes, 6♥ asks partner to bid the grand if he has the ♥K, we don't have a method to ask for a minor queens, do you? As for the opening pass, I think my partner would usually open this. I'll ask. He was sick when we were playing these so I can only assume he miscounted or felt too ill to play it :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted September 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 Nicely done Kathryn! By the way, do you play that 6H asks for the heart king? Would you have had a way to find the grand slam if north held the club or diamond queen instead? Would the sequence (starting at 5N) 5N-6C, 6H-6S, 6N....suggest going to 7 with anything extra in clubs or diamonds? Good question. No one has shown the ♦ King but we did have a way to ask for it so perhaps this should be bid 7 with a minor Q. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted September 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 well i approve of north's original pass, but i also approve of the lack of XX - if partner thinks that's a 4S bid, there's a good chance he also thinks he's got an ace when he doesn't. I (south) forgot the XX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 If 2♣ is never natural, what would it show from North? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted September 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 If 2♣ is never natural, what would it show from North? 2♣ is drury here for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 Really well done! Look at the scores of small and grand slams redoubled sometime. Its a great way to pick up IMPs. I didn't a small slam in Reno in the last session of the IMP pairs, and it cost us about 5 IMPs and one place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 If 2♣ is never natural, what would it show from North? 2♣ is drury here for us. In that case your partner misbid but you saved him/her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 Yes if you play drury, this would be a good hand to use it! Also, I think your partner should always go to the 7-level after 5NT, he can't possibly have more and he knows both kings are useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted September 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 Yes if you play drury, this would be a good hand to use it! Also, I think your partner should always go to the 7-level after 5NT, he can't possibly have more and he knows both kings are useful. 2♣ and 4♠/2♠ ,or 3♣/2♠ I assume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 maybe 3NT over 2S but I don't know, I stopped passing 12 counts long ago so I forgot... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 If partner bids 2S I would pass. I mean, I can't have this hand, but if it is our agreement to pass balanced 12-counts then after 1S - 2C - 2S I would pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 How weak do you open in 4th seat hanp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted September 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 I think Han's post must be a typo bidding 2♠/2♣ Why would you use 2♣ drury here to show a good hand in support of partners opening but unsure of game? Why give the opps more information and misdescribe (for a 2nd time perhaps) your hand on the way to game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 Yes if you play drury, this would be a good hand to use it! Also, I think your partner should always go to the 7-level after 5NT, he can't possibly have more and he knows both kings are useful. What? Partner might be looking for the DK with AKJxxx A AQTxx x or something. I think bidding 7 is very bad over 5N. They got there anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 I think Han's post must be a typo bidding 2♠/2♣ Why would you use 2♣ drury here to show a good hand in support of partners opening but unsure of game? Why give the opps more information and misdescribe (for a 2nd time perhaps) your hand on the way to game? I don't think he typo'd, he said IF partner bids 2S over 2C, you should pass, not that partner would bid 2S on this actual hand. Jillybean, do you think 1S p 4S describes the north hand? 1S p 4S shows a distributional hand, not a 4333 12 count. The point is if you have an opening bid you should open, and if you don't have an opening bid and shape then you have a limit raise (aka drury). If you have a 4333 limit raise with 3 trumps, that is a hand that should respect partners sign off over drury. If partner had some game interest in that hand, they could bid 2D after 2C. It's fine to re-evaluate your hand to an opening bid because you have a nice fit for partner/shortness somewhere/whatever, but this hand is 4333 and is just punishing partner if it game forces over a 4th seat opener. Partner should open a 5332 10 count in 4th seat (with spades)! You must bid consistently. Either open the hand, or treat it as a 3 card limit raise over drury. Yes it is a maximum 3 card limit raise but that's fine. What you definitely should not do is bid 1S p 4S which shows a totally different hand type, and forces to game opposite a minimum 4th seat opener, and hurts your slam bidding (it didn't on this hand since your hand was so good, but it could have)> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted September 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 Yes, I agree. I would open north hand 1♣ (thanks gwnn!) any day and so 4♠/1♠ is playing catch up and not good bridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 Yes, I agree. I would open north hand 1♠ any day and so 4♠/1♠ is playing catch up and not good bridge. Off course you mean 1♣ and from your south seat you bid the hand nicely, except for your forgetting to redouble with what has to be 13 sure tricks as long as you have any trust in pard's bidding. Considering the opps can have nothing but quacks, one of them must have been doubling on lots of quacks hoping to score a trick :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucky Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 Also, 1♠ - 4♠ is typically made from a different type of hand, something like 5-card trump support, less than opening but with some shape. If you bid 4♠ with that hand as well as a balanced 12-13, partner will have a hard time judging accurately on followup actions, if any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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