MickyB Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 [hv=d=w&v=e&s=sxhjxdxcqjt9xxxxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP1H-2D-P-?? 3C now is forcing.[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 No brainer pass, I think bidding anything is terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 Pass. Will certainly bid later IF I get the chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 That is a 9 card suit right? Just making sure I got the hand right and the thread title is a joke, or is the hand wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 Good luck that we do not need to put a 8 card suit in dummy. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted September 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 That is a 9 card suit right? Just making sure I got the hand right and the thread title is a joke, or is the hand wrong? You have nine, yes :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 QJ106 its not great for dummy, but will have to be bid next round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 Agree with Fluffy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 Opps are likely to be cold for 4♠. A 2♠ psyche comes to mind, but pard, who is bound to have like 3-4 of those, might take that a bit too seriously, so I'll just be terrible and all those bad adjectives and bid 5♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted September 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 No brainer pass, I think bidding anything is terrible. You may well think it is terrible to bid at any vul, but I still feel I should clarify for you that we are at favourable :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 I do not pass 2♦, particularly at these colors. 3♣ suits me fine trying to keep opponents out. I will bid 3♣ and will insist on ♣ if necessary, at least up to the 5 level and I will not let the opponents play below the 5 level. I doubt that ♣ bids will excite partner. If it does, opponents will have a very good fit in a major. My guess is that on average even 5♣ will produce less undertricks than 2♦ Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 No brainer pass, I think bidding anything is terrible. You may well think it is terrible to bid at any vul, but I still feel I should clarify for you that we are at favourable :D haha, this time I knew! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 I am constrained by system here - my advances at the 3-level or higher are all fit bids. That means I have to pass now and bid an appropriate number of clubs later. In the absence of any agreements about fit bids in the way, 5C now looks sensible - more descriptive than 3C begging partner to repeat his diamonds again, anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pict Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 Fun, but I'd like to understand a bit more about why 5C is a bad idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 Now let's get real and mastermind the auction a little bit since we are at favorable and this nine card suit is making our license to steal burn a hole in our pocket. I presume the passers will be ready to take action after the auction continues ...P-(X)-P-(P); ??? Now is anybody selling out for less than 4♣ or maybe 5♣. Now what if we do it beforehand to make life miserable on not only on RHO but the probable powerhouse hand LHO is holding. How badly are we masterminding this auction? Partner could of course have the 20HCP 2♦ overcall that looks to be standard on BBF. IMV this just looks like a high variance decision between pass and 5♣ either of which could work out well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 Fun, but I'd like to understand a bit more about why 5C is a bad idea. Cos even if its the right contract, you will most likelly play 6 then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 5♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akhare Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 Seems like 5♣ to me, unless you think that pard will interpret it as exclusion KC :)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dburn Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 Here is why 5♣ is a bad idea: [hv=d=w&v=e&n=sak83h9543dkqj52c&w=s975haq876da96cak&e=sqj1042hk10d8743c83&s=s6hj2d10cqjt976542]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] The passers will go down two in 2♦. The 3♣ bidders will go down one or two in 4♣, but they won't be doubled. The opponents can make a part score. None of this is really all that surprising after the auction begins as it has begun. I had some sympathy with our team-mates, because at their table West began with a strong club, North showed spades and diamonds and any strength, and East showed some values, so South hadn't much idea what the right approach was. Minus 500 did not compare well with minus 110 at our table when 3♣ (which was not forcing) was passed out and allowed to make, but it wouldn't have compared very well with plus 50 either. In the natural auction given, however, if 3♣ is forcing then pass is indeed a "no-brainer". I reserve judgement as to the quantity of brains required to play 3♣ as showing a diamond fit, but I express no such reservations regarding a jump to 5♣. As Jeremy Flint so aptly put it, why squeal before you are hurt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 Wow I agree 100 % with dburn, a complete first. Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 To call pass with nine cards in a suit a no-brainer is a bit over the top. Just wonder how many cards you need in a suit before you will bid opposite a simple overcall at favorable vulnerability, would 10 or 11 or 12 be right? Just guessing. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 To call pass with nine cards in a suit a no-brainer is a bit over the top. Just wonder how many cards you need in a suit before you will bid opposite a simple overcall at favorable vulnerability, would 10 or 11 or 12 be right? Just guessing. Rainer Herrmann well any 12 card suit a priori is 55% to make slam at worst so that is acceptable :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoti Posted September 20, 2010 Report Share Posted September 20, 2010 This is what I came up with viewing only my cards, as I would have bid: (See P as 8-11 hcp + 4 in hand) It would be nice to think there could be 12 spades split 4(weak/split)-4-4 or 3-4-5 etc. and they dont bid, but how so with responder lacking even 3H (or does he lack 6/7 hcp by a bit, but opener stands just under a 2c opening?!) In either case they bid after 2d. I am thinking to bid 4c discounting the extra card. I'm bidding def not to make. 4c may discourage major game reply if fit is their problem. If they do bid 4sp (or H) I figure them to Make so come back with 5cl.(or 5cl vs 4nt when it comes as interference and probably is the reply they need) I don't see them having slam, tho they will be welcome to try, & without BW. If they end up at 5sp/H for Game try, looks to me like one card matter to us or them. As good a defensive situation as available. Sound reasonable? Or am I neglecting something? (I do not see my p elevating the bid, tho if he goes to 5cl ... which i dont think is makeable, and 5 d definately not, well I was prepared to go 5cl anyway ... but got to have a little fling with asking for a 4cl discount :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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