Long clubs in second seat

[Bbradley62]

[hv=d=e&v=b&s=sk85hj8dqckqt8643]133|100|Scoring: XIMP

pass to you[/hv]

[rogerclee]

I prefer to play a style where this is a 3C opener.

[the hog]

3C for me.

[neilkaz]

3♣ is somewhat my preference here as we are vulnerable and allowed to hold a max.

 

Stiff Q and Jx and no aces are all defects causing me to not want to open 1♣.

 

Sometimes we may miss 4♠ by not opening 1♣ if PD has the right hand with 5♠.

 

However, the problem with opening 1♣ is when we end up too high often in a hopeless 3NT or when the opps bid a making game that they may have missed had we opened 3♣.

[jdonn]

1♣, the high card points matter even in short suits. Like if partner bids notrump, or because it changes the odds the opponents can/will bid/make something.

[655321]

1♣, but if GIB passed or opened 3♣, that is not a bug. OTOH, if he opened 1♠ or 1NT...

[rduran1216]

definitely 1C for me, good suit quality and if partner has 5 spades with a 12 count we will get to a good 4S contract. Something we'll never reach if I open 3C

[Siegmund]

Its about half a trick heavier than I really like my best eval-vul 3C bids to be... but I dont like opening 4C, and I really dont like opening 1C on a hand not likely to produce even one defensive trick. 3C is the smallest lie IMO.

[jdonn]

I really dont like opening 1C on a hand not likely to produce even one defensive trick.

It's not certain of course but I'd say we are overwhelmingly likely to produce a defensive trick or two.

[P_Marlowe]

4C (or 3C, if I remember our new agreement).

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[hanp]

1C.

[gwnn]

1♣, but if GIB passed or opened 3♣, that is not a bug.  OTOH, if he opened 1♠ or 1NT...

I would like to amend this post: any number of ♣, (except 2 or 6+) is not a bug.

[MickyB]

1♣, but if GIB passed or opened 3♣, that is not a bug.  OTOH, if he opened 1♠ or 1NT...

I would like to amend this post: any number of ♣, (except 2 or 6+) is not a bug.

1NT >>> 5♣

[W Kovacs]

I was about to say 2C, showing 11-15 and 6+ clubs, but then I realized I'm in the SAYC forum.

 

I'd open 1C on this hand playing standard or 2/1.

[Phil]

1♣.

 

I have too much potential for 3N to open 3♣.

[Fluffy]

3♣ because I have 3NT potential, but not 4M potential :)

[peachy]

This would be a first seat 1C for me, but a second seat 3C.

What to open with this, depends on the style agreed.

[vang]

1NT transfer to clubs ;-)

[the hog]

This would be a first seat 1C for me, but a second seat 3C.

What to open with this, depends on the style agreed.

First or third seat 3C and second seat 1C is more logical.

[rduran1216]

I dont understand 3C at all

 

give partner

 

AQxxx

Axx

xxxx

x

 

or anything even close to that.

 

How on earth will you find 4S after 3C?

[aguahombre]

I don't understand 3C either, and don't have any examples to illustrate the point.

 

It just looks like a simple 1C opening bid, unless I am one of those sorts who has to "do something" each time. My idea of "doing something" is just staying in the boat and letting the brilliant people do the operating.

[rduran1216]

I don't understand 3C either, and don't have any examples to illustrate the point.

 

It just looks like a simple 1C opening bid, unless I am one of those sorts who has to "do something" each time. My idea of "doing something" is just staying in the boat and letting the brilliant people do the operating.

well if my diamond and spade holdings were reversed, I think 3C would be clear

[aguahombre]

Any time I have three honors outside my suit, I say: "anything but a preempt". Just my opinion, based on old age ---could be wrong.

[Phil]

I dont understand 3C at all

 

give partner

 

AQxxx

Axx

xxxx

x

 

or anything even close to that.

 

How on earth will you find 4S after 3C?

4♠ is a serious grind on these cards and probably won't make.

 

Your points are still valid though.

[gwnn]

I dont understand 3C at all

 

give partner

 

AQxxx

Axx

xxxx

x

 

or anything even close to that.

 

How on earth will you find 4S after 3C?

One example hand does not an argument make.

 

I could bring up an example hand where our preempt is the only way to prevent opps finding a game or another one where our preempt is the only way to win a double game swing, or ... (mind you, I prefer 1♣ on the hand in the opening post but I perfectly understand 3♣ as well)

 

In bridge almost all actions have advantages and disadvantages, there will always be some scenarios (example hands) where they work brilliantly and some where they fail miserably. When you play bridge you hope for the former scenarios and try to avoid the latter scenarios (with some sort of mental rain dance). The fact is, you can't win them all, what goes around comes around and we are all serving the mysterious powers of Yin and Yang. If you don't like it, go multiply integers where you can be sure of exact results (unless you run into arithmetic overflow errors).