How bad is too bad/bad enough

[rduran1216]

white versus red

 

Your opponents bidding has gone

 

1H p 2NT p

3H ?

 

2NT is jacoby, 3H shows better than a minimum opener

 

Do you consider moving in this spot with very weak holdings?

 

What kind of hand do you have to have in order to do this?

[rogerclee]

There is no hand that I would pass initially and now decide to bid. If I wanted to bid 3N now, I would have bid something last round. If I wanted to bid 3S now, I would have bid 1S before, though I guess AKxxx x xxxx xxx is a 3S bid now if it's not a 1S overcall before or something like this. If I wanted to bid 4m now, I would have bid 3m last round.

 

Just because your opponents are having a strong auction doesn't mean you should bid. Either they are about to play 4H with more information than they would have otherwise (bad at matchpoints), or you are telling them something about how to play 6H. Also you could just go for a number obviously.

[rduran1216]

I was thinking more about plopping in a 5S or 6C or 6D bid, not anything to get a lead in.

[aguahombre]

I didn't see what your hand was, but I am sure there are a whole lot of them which would not act over 1H, but want to bid at the 5 or six level now.

[cloa513]

How about

♠10xxxxxxx

plus 5 more in the remaining suits

 

That doesn't help opponents much (especially random number of honours outside of spades). Its not great to bid earlier in auction - possibly preempt though its pretty bad and gives partner a suit of sacrifice.

[rduran1216]

I didn't see what your hand was, but I am sure there are a whole lot of them which would not act over 1H, but want to bid at the 5 or six level now.

how about a hand like

 

QJ10xxx

xx

Jxx

xxx

 

 

Since I'm on lead, how about a 3S call to suggest a suit to sacrifice in? Or am I shooting for too narrow a window.

[TylerE]

Just remember that -4 Xed still beats their game, and partner doesn't have to be broke here.

[Phil]

I didn't see what your hand was, but I am sure there are a whole lot of them which would not act over 1H, but want to bid at the 5 or six level now.

how about a hand like

 

QJ10xxx

xx

Jxx

xxx

 

 

Since I'm on lead, how about a 3S call to suggest a suit to sacrifice in? Or am I shooting for too narrow a window.

That's 14 cards.

 

I can't imagine bidding here. If its right over 3♥, its certainly right over 1♥.

 

Put another way, if you are tempted to bid on the 2nd round, maybe you should have taken a call on the 1st.

[aguahombre]

QJ10xxx

xx

Jxx

xxx

 

I can't imagine bidding here. If its right over 3♥, its certainly right over 1♥.

 

Put another way, if you are tempted to bid on the 2nd round, maybe you should have taken a call on the 1st.

So give yourself that spade suit and take away the 14th card somewhere. Even 2S over 1H would have been enough to screw up J2N and let pard do any further preempting.

 

Now, it is too late.

[peachy]

I cannot imagine any hand that would move now but would not have moved over 1H. There simply aren't any.

[JLOGIC]

---

xxx

KJxxx

KTxxx

 

3N?

 

Dunno if I bid here it would probably involve 3 small or 4 small hearts. Maybe 3S here should show 4S and a longer minor like:

 

KJTx

xxx

KQTxx

x

 

?

[Siegmund]

If your system provides no way to act immediately with 4 spades and 7 or 8 of a minor, that hand is going to be acting now.

 

I can imagine there might be a few other hands at favorable, be willing to risk acting in a GF auction that weren't initially. But there can't be very many of them.

[Fluffy]

I remember acting once with ♦109xxxxx and maybe a jack more, partner laughed out loud when saw my bid, he had 15 HCP himself ;). The overcall was pretty useless BTW, I though I was getting away 1 level of bidding, but they weren't even near to slam.