Efrahim Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 1♦ - pass - 1♠ - 2♣ - now it is my turn ... Not using support X/XX, should I double this sequence with my hand: [hv=s=skxxhkqjxdqtxxxcx]133|100|[/hv] I do not know if this double should always show extra values or can be made by even a minimum hand with the shape ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flameous Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 Yeah, this is perfect X with or without support X. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 1♦ - pass - 1♠ - 2♣ - now it is my turn ... Not using support X/XX, should I double this sequence with my hand: [hv=s=skxxhkqjxdqtxxxcx]133|100|[/hv] I do not know if this double should always show extra values or can be made by even a minimum hand with the shape ... my choice would be 2♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 3451 indeed the perfect takeout double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 I'm not so sure, what is the vulnerability & scoring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 Easy pass/2♠. Double should show extras here when not playing support doubles.2♠ is possible option if your style permits (it probably should). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 Easy pass/2♠. Double should show extras here when not playing support doubles.2♠ is possible option if your style permits (it probably should). Agreed completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 I must admit I am not retro enough not to play support doubles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simplicity Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 3451 is indeed a great shape for a t/o double. However I think 2♠ here is a better description - we show partner a minimum hand with support. It's not like we miss our heart fit when game is on - partner can still bid them himself and we'll raise. Yes me may miss our 44 heart fit, but if that's the case then partner has 5 spades anyways (he'd have responded 1♥ with 44 in the majors) and we're probably in as a good spot. One fringe benefit of this is that if we were to bid 1♦ (p) 1♠ (2♣)X (p) 2♦ (p)2♠ we've now shown partner a non minimum with 3 card support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucky Posted September 9, 2010 Report Share Posted September 9, 2010 1♦ - pass - 1♠ - 2♣ - now it is my turn ... Not using support X/XX, should I double this sequence with my hand: Dealer: ????? Vul: ???? Scoring: Unknown ♠ Kxx ♥ KQJx ♦ QTxxx ♣ x I do not know if this double should always show extra values or can be made by even a minimum hand with the shape ...I vaguely remember that in old-fashioned bridge, X is penalty. I do think take-out is superior, but you ought to make sure partner plays the same way. You may also want to define it as showing extra value, since that is an important message to convey, in the meanwhile many take-out shape hands with minimum value can find a natural bid. I don't think this hand falls into the "extra value" camp, so 2♠ would be my choice. Of course partner doesn't know whether I have 3 or 4-card support, which is the reason why Rodwell invented support X. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted September 10, 2010 Report Share Posted September 10, 2010 Perfect shape, just Dbl please ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted September 10, 2010 Report Share Posted September 10, 2010 Hi, 2S. If you have no idea / agreement what X in this seq. showes,go with the safest bet, and this is raising p suit. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted September 10, 2010 Report Share Posted September 10, 2010 I must admit I am not retro enough not to play support doubles. Lauria Versace don't play support doubles. I think other Italian pairs don't play them either (not 100% sure though). It's not that retro. In fact I think it makes a lot of sense if you play wide range openings. Having extras you are often stuck for good bid.Obviously in systems like polish club or precision this double is not of much use without support hence someone who play such systems invented support double :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted September 10, 2010 Report Share Posted September 10, 2010 Easy t/o double for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 I vaguely remember that in old-fashioned bridge, X is penalty. That's what I'd expect X to be, opposite any partner who said he didn't want to play support doubles (provided partner's name isn't Lauria or Versace.) Even on THIS forum I thought penalty would get more votes than takeout for second place after support X. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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