Which game?

[bd71]

[hv=d=s&v=e&s=sa8642hq97d842c98]133|100|Scoring: IMP

P - 1♣

1♠ - 2N

?[/hv]

 

You are playing 2/1, and have agreed NMF.

 

Do you look for a 5-3 fit and a spade game via NMF, or is this just a straight 3N call?

[mike777]

[hv=d=s&v=e&s=sa8642hq97d842c98]133|100|Scoring: IMP

P - 1♣

1♠ - 2N

?[/hv]

 

You are playing 2/1, and have agreed NMF.

 

Do you look for a 5-3 fit and a spade game via NMF, or is this just a straight 3N call?

fwiw I checkback....of course that may not win..

[1eyedjack]

It might have a disadvantage of giving extra info to the defence, but can you investigate a 5-3 fit and, having found it, offer 3N as a choice?

[P_Marlowe]

Search for the major suit fit.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[aguahombre]

I think we can handle giving the opps the extra information that responder has one more spade than already shown.

[mgoetze]

Surely bid NMF at IMPs, at MPs maybe blast 3NT.

 

@aquahombre: the problem is not telling the opps what responder has, but you will potentially tell them that declarer has 4 hearts.

[pooltuna]

at these colors this is a borderline decision

[Free]

NMF for me

[wank]

3S for me - showing 5 as i play. i don't play checkback after 2nt jump-rebids. this method has the advantage that you can bid 3m nat and forcing to look for a slam and it doesn't involve partner disclosing his hand to the opps if you're just looking for the best game

[aguahombre]

Surely bid NMF at IMPs, at MPs maybe blast 3NT.

 

@aquahombre: the problem is not telling the opps what responder has, but you will potentially tell them that declarer has 4 hearts.

Right, I forgot OP talking about NMF after 2NT rebid ---different style has different issues.

 

Edit: All the reasons for not agreeing "NMF" after 2NT rebid would be a hijack. But, there are other methods to check for 5-3 spade fit.

Edited September 6, 2010 by aguahombre

[ggwhiz]

3nt can lose if pard has a doubleton in either red suit, especially diamonds so I would use NMF.

 

Flawed since you can run into a lead directing double as well as revealing pards heart holding but with marginal values for game the added safety of a possible 5-3 spade fit could be crucial.

[gwnn]

Good question in the title. I will ask it from my partner, thank God for him, he will help us.

[peachy]

Find the best game. Often, 5-3 spades is better than 3NT when we don't have so much in excess HCPs or number of tricks that it does not matter. Here, it might matter, which is why I would investigate with NMF.

[Rossoneri]

Good question in the title. I will ask it from my partner, thank God for him, he will help us.

I clicked the 'Like' button.

 

Would lean slightly towards using NMF.

[tbr]

I'll do new minor forcing.

The greatest thing since sliced bread. So fortunate to have picked it up on a cruise.

[Fluffy]

I find bidding 3NT ridicoulous.

[Bbradley62]

If you wouldn't use NMF on this hand, then you and your partner should agree that 3♦ means something else.

[pooltuna]

If you wouldn't use NMF on this hand, then you and your partner should agree that 3♦ means something else.

how do you check to see if partner has 3♠s in his hand if you don't use 3♦? This assumes you are so inclined with this hand.

[aguahombre]

If you wouldn't use NMF on this hand, then you and your partner should agree that 3♦ means something else.

how do you check to see if partner has 3♠s in his hand if you don't use 3♦? This assumes you are so inclined with this hand.

Try 3S. It is easy to use it as a raise to 3NT, checking for a 5-3 spade fit. With 6 spades you would just bid 4S. Actually 3S is two-way, for people who rebid naturally after opener's 2NT rebid (forcing). Could be a 6+ spade suit with a hand too strong to just jump to game in spades. This style allows all 3-level bids/2NT to be natural and forcing (too simple for some, but a viable concept).

 

All the folks whose original 1S response doesn't show a responding hand can't do the above, because they need Wolff (not NMF) to bail out at the 3-level. All folks who consider this a game forcing auction don't need the artificiality of NMF after a 2NT rebid.

 

For those unfamiliar with natural bids:

 

1C-1S* shows a responding hand.

2NT* 18-19 HCP balanced, not 4 spades and not stiff spade.

 

Rebids:

pass=I lied about having a responding hand.

3C=shows clubs, forcing.

3D=shows diamonds, forcing.

3H=shows hearts, forcing.

3S=5 spades checking enroute to 3NT, or 6+ spades and slammish.

3NT=to play.

 

This idea probably won't catch on.

Edited September 9, 2010 by aguahombre