A fit, a stopper, and a quest for blood.

[matmat]

♠6

♥AT82

♦AQ8

♣AKT96

 

IMPs. all red, 4th chair.

 

[P] [space]- [space]P [space]- [P] - 1[cl]
[1[di]] - 2[sp]* - [P] - ?

 

2♠ was a fit-jump.

what call do you make here?

 

if you bid 2nt here RHO continues with 3♦ and that comes back around to you.

if you bid 3nt, you play it there.

What are 3♥ and 3♦ here?

[Phil]

I'm tempted to bid 6♣, but a slow red suit loser is a source of concern if we are off the ♠A. Seven is possible, but 6 may not make.

 

I guess I'll start with 3♦ and see where things go.

[ONEferBRID]

jump to 4C ( Minorwood ).

 

[ I know, RKC is for wimps ] .

[gwnn]

6♣

[mohitz]

3♦. If partner bids 3♥, will bid slam. Else, i am content with 3N.

[wank]

i think you're all on drugs looking for a slam here - i'd just try 3nt at my earliest opportunity

[the hog]

This hand is definitely worth exploring. I will bid 3D and see what partner bids.

[mike777]

♠6

♥AT82

♦AQ8

♣AKT96

 

IMPs. all red, 4th chair.

 

[P] [space]- [space]P [space]- [P] - 1[cl]
[1[di]] - 2[sp]* - [P] - ?

 

2♠ was a fit-jump.

what call do you make here?

 

if you bid 2nt here RHO continues with 3♦ and that comes back around to you.

if you bid 3nt, you play it there.

What are 3♥ and 3♦ here?

3d as usual with a tough hand...cue or double may help :)

[Phil]

i think you're all on drugs looking for a slam here - i'd just try 3nt at my earliest opportunity

Do you know what a fit jump shows?

[TimG]

i think you're all on drugs looking for a slam here  - i'd just try 3nt at my earliest opportunity

Do you know what a fit jump shows?

I doubt it shows the same thing for everybody, if it did this would be a much easier problem. It would be useful if we knew what kind of suit quality requirements we have for a passed hand fit bid, but I expect if we had solid agreements matmat would have told us.

[neilkaz]

I'm tempted to bid 6♣, but a slow red suit loser is a source of concern if we are off the ♠A. Seven is possible, but 6 may not make.

 

I guess I'll start with 3♦ and see where things go.

Not tempted to bid 6 just yet since perhaps there's stuff in pard's hand sort of wasted opposite my stiff.

 

3♦ slowing down the bidding with good hands as there's plenty of room to get some cooperation and exploration done before trying for 12 tricks and it seems the K♦ is offside.

[neilkaz]

3♦. If partner bids 3♥, will bid slam. Else, i am content with 3N.

If partner bids 3♥ I still think I need more info since I am still unsure who has the ace of ♠ and the K♦ is almost guaranteed to be offside.

[Cyberyeti]

i think you're all on drugs looking for a slam here  - i'd just try 3nt at my earliest opportunity

Do you know what a fit jump shows?

I doubt it shows the same thing for everybody, if it did this would be a much easier problem. It would be useful if we knew what kind of suit quality requirements we have for a passed hand fit bid, but I expect if we had solid agreements matmat would have told us.

Also depends what your club shows (2,3,4 minimum) and whether partner needs 5 clubs for the fit jump and also what your 2 openers are (do you have an opening bid for 5-4 or 5-5 hands). Also how light your 1 openers can be, AJ10xx, Kxx, x, Qxxx we'd open for sure for example.

 

AJ10xx, xx, x, Qxxxx is not impossible here so a slam can be on, but for us, pretty much any 5-4 hand where a slam makes would have been opened, (and we probably wouldn't fit jump with the hands with a bad spade suit like Qxxxx, KQJ, x, Qxxx where it makes) so 3N looks good.

[aguahombre]

Ace of Spades and five clubs seem enough, since the fit-jump should be 5-5 (passed hand). My problem is: how does 3D get us to 3NT from my side if 3NT is right, and to 6C otherwise? Partner will not have a 3H bid, unless it has some artificial meaning.

 

Maybe that is the answer. 3S/3D with the Ace, and 3H without the spade ace. Don't think both of us would be able to invent and understand that at the table, or in this forum.

[Phil]

i think you're all on drugs looking for a slam here  - i'd just try 3nt at my earliest opportunity

Do you know what a fit jump shows?

I doubt it shows the same thing for everybody, if it did this would be a much easier problem. It would be useful if we knew what kind of suit quality requirements we have for a passed hand fit bid, but I expect if we had solid agreements matmat would have told us.

Perhaps not, but partner should be aware of how lousy KJxxx / xxxxx is versus how good AJxxx Kx x Qxxxx is.

[hanp]

Do you know what a fit jump shows?

 

I'd bid 3D followed by 3NT. If partner doesn't pull, I don't think he's 5-5. If he has the more normal 5-2-2-4 distribution, slam is unlikely.

[jdonn]

partner should be aware of how lousy KJxxx / xxxxx is versus how good AJxxx Kx x Qxxxx is.

So good he could open the bidding with it!

[matmat]

p's hand:

AKxxx, K, xx 8xxxx

is this an opener? :)

 

also, would you really FJ on 5224?

[hanp]

Are you implying I lied? :)

 

Sorry couldn't help the pclayton reference. I would definitely bid 2S on 5224 shape, I think AQJxx xx xx Qxxx is very normal.

 

But I stopped playing support jump shifts into higher ranking suits.

[Cyberyeti]

p's hand:

AKxxx, K, xx 8xxxx

is this an opener? :)

 

also, would you really FJ on 5224?

I would fit jump on 5224, but then partner's promised me 4 clubs, hence the question I asked earlier. If my club was minimum 3 and I opened 1♦ with 4♦/3♣ I would also fit jump as we're guaranteed an 8 card fit in one of the blacks.

 

I would open the hand you give, but wouldn't criticise anybody for passing it., AKxxx, x, xx, xxxxx is plenty for a small slam.

 

If however I played Lucas 2s or similar to bid my 5-5s, I'd definitely assume partner was 5-4 so would not do any more than 3N.

[gwnn]

pgwnned everyone

[peachy]

I don't think we have grand. 6C, reasonable hopes to make it.

If this was wrong, then I will have to apologize and move on.

[ONEferBRID]

p's hand:

AKxxx, K, xx 8xxxx

is this an opener? :)

 

also, would you really FJ on 5224?

You raise some good points.

 

1) The 5-5 Sp/Cl hand is really too weak even for a sub-minimum 1C open.

 

2) Since the 1C open is 3+cards, you are right that the fit-jumper should have at least 5 cards; and normally the jump-suit is also 5 cards. That leaves only 3 red cards.

You have 2 of them covered w/Aces.

You don't need to worry about the ♣ Q with 10 cards, although pard may have it.

 

All you need from Responder is the ♠A and one red K fro 12 tricks:

 

1s, 1h, 1d, cAK, 6 X-ruffs and a red K = 12

 

If pard is missing the ♠A, you would need 2 red K's, and surely pard has to have some good stuff ( even as a passed hand ) for his fit-jump.

 

That said and done, gwnn's direct leap to 6C over pard's 2S-jump seems like a safe bet.

[TimG]

If a standard opener only has 3 clubs, then there is an 8+ card spade fit when responder fit jumps with 5xx4. I'm not sure why 5xx4 isn't enough black suit length.

[Siegmund]

Put me down for "you're on drugs if you consider going beyond 3NT."

 

People do play fit-jumps different ways; but in my partnerships, I expect 5 spades to two of the top three, at least 4 clubs, and values enough that he expects 2M or 3m to make opposite the worst hand I would open 1C here (and for me that's going to be a flat 11 that wants a club lead, or a moderately shapely 10 - no 7-HCP third seat craziness.) Partner has denied super-spectacular distribution that is serious about reaching game opposite a minimum; he jumped to only-2-spades, when he could have jumped to 3 (or cuebid 2D, or various other things). 5-2-2-4 and 5-3-1-4 are going to be a LOT more common than 5-5s. [How many of you allow opener to pass the 2S fit-jump if he has something like xxx Kxx Kxx AQxx?]

 

I consider it a virtual certainty that we will either have two red-suit losers, or a red-suit loser and the SA. The one exception, I guess, is when partner has downgraded a singleton honor in the red suits.