Lovera Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 On renowing, as a form of collaboration and/or to show interest, to help me to find any little slam to adapt in heart trump suit for explanation, let us see this hand (from "Bridge Suspense avec Pierre Jais" pagg. 160-161) played by Jean-Michel Boulenger in a friendly duplicate (respect to original hand i have changed spade with heart and in club A and K so having): N ♠ 10872 ♥ 765 ♦ AQ7 ♣ K83 S ♠ A9 ♥ AK10432 ♦ KJ6 ♣ A7 W ♠ KQJ ♥ Q ♦10983 ♣ 96542 E ♠6543 ♥ J98 ♦ 542 ♣ QJ10. In a bidding that is S/N 1♥-1NT, 3♥-4♥, 4NT-5 ♣, 5♦-5♥ now pay attemption because being in S the two top honors is "consequently determinate" as Ace (of diamond in this case) the key card and it allow to explain more clearly the relative answere(s) on 5♠ query. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovera Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 It being my willing to explain in more posts, i continue to say about answere(s). Than when RKCB bidder goes on quering in spade ask for Q or doubleton and : if is not answere is trump agree at minimum level as here but having instead Q you must indicate the suit in which A(=key) is and it'd be the case if in spade trade 2 with W's Q so 5♠(=? for Q)-6♦(=suit in which is A indicating Q/xx in spade). This "determination" will be usefull subsequently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovera Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 May you tell me if agree this method that i am applying - these ones are not my biddings - to integrate what i'm going to post ? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovera Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Again i don't understand why there is not intervent to point anything or ask for a clearness being me available to. As you can see i am talking at BBO people and it should be usefull to show thinking about this insert methodolgy in RKB. May i have yours partecipations ? Bye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovera Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 When i' ve written my post #29 views were 950.Subsequently are getting to 955 then 963, 972 and now 982. It is more usefull any form to condivide and not to limit yourselves only to see this topic on this stage of analysis or study i am going on. You are welcome if partecipate your thinking about what i have told, bye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovera Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 [hv=d=n&v=n&n=skjxxha7xxxdxcqxx&s=saxxhk9xxdakj8caj]133|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv]1♥ - 2NT (Jacoby)3♦ - 4NT (RKC 1430)5♣ - 5♦ (trump queen ask)5♥ - 5♠5NT - 6♥P Is 5♠ a general king ask? Or is 5♠ asking specifically about the ♠K? Note that in this case the trump queen was denied by opener. [Yes, I know that's a disgusting opening bid by North.....]Hallo, about your topic this situation is divided on two cases : Queen lacking on the line when partner tells 1 keycard that can be in trump - your case - or indicating an Ace aside trump. I, to complete possibilites, starting post #25 i' m going to analyzed about answeres that are. Than, in this phase, i invite you to tell me what do you think or if you are agree about it. Bye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovera Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 This is another hand that i have taken from Romanet book "Total Bridge" (i have only inverted club with heart and K and 9 position). North ♠ Kx ♥ 9xxx ♦ AKxx ♣ Kxx South ♠ Axxx ♥ AKxxx ♦ xx ♣ Ax. Bidding (S/N) : 1♥-2♦, 2NT-3♥, 4NT-5♣, 5♦-5♥, 5♠ and N not answer 6♥ because has not losers in spade nor 6♦ only 3rd round indicating Ace of diamond neither 5NT because King is not alone whilest bidding 6♣ with meaning of positive answere about 3rd round control with K in query suit plus K in club. Now S knows that can ruff spade and en passant if trumps are divided 2-2 between opp there are 13 tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovera Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 It's a pretty useless call in this situation. You ask for the trump Q, if partner doesn't have it then you normally signoff in 5 or 6. The only reason to continue bidding something else is if you have 1 extra trump, looking for another extra trump in partner's hand. With 10 trumps the Q is considered irrelevant. Since opener and responder can have longer trumps, you might want to be able to look for a 10th trump and continue bidding. Basically it depends a lot on the situation:- If Jacoby showed 3+♥ support, then it may make sence to continue the auction because you have 4 trumps and opener may have 6 (knowing only about 9 combined trumps). After the trump Q, Kings are usually asked, so I'd look at 5♠ as a King ask if you also have an extra trump. Response is pretty simple: 6♥ = no extra ♥, other calls show an extra ♥ and are a response to the King ask.- If Jacoby showed 4+♥ support, then 5♠ is useless since opener would show the ♥Q with a 6th trump. And responder with 5 trumps wouldn't ask for the Q. Only thing left to look for is the choice between 6♥ and 6NT. No idea what 5♠ should mean here though.The answere must not be considered automatic because if, lacking Q with an hand balanced and any K aside, we bid, without extra, 6 ♥(=trump agree) can be that slam is not and than, in this case we must stay on 5♥ denying 10 card fit and so Q, whilest with an extra i.e. a second round control (K/x) we can indicate it showing Q or 10 card fit without Q. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovera Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Look at this hand to understund better what i am talking : http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?bbo=y&myhand=M-33972267-1436635621On the other tables bidding was more simple ending always in 4♥. I think here is better to bid 3♠ as splinter so partner knows about 1-6-3-3. After 4♥ eventual 4NT gets 5♣(=1key the Ace of club) and 5♦=(? for Q). Now with 10 card fit Q should be indicated also if lacking but here at six level and with any extra taking one down if bidded 6♥. But if is changed the hand with one fewer diamond now we have possibility to indicate Q/10 card fit bidding 6♦=(K/x second round control) for little slam.North : ♠ QJ52 ♥ 10854 ♦ 42 ♣ AJ3 South ♠ 7 ♥ AKJ962 ♦ A65 ♣ K87Bidding : W - N - E p S 1♥, p - 2♥ - p - 3♣, p - 4♥ - all p. Spade are divided 4-4 (A in W), heart are 2-1 (Q in E), club Q is second in W.(In S is debitschka) Sat. Jul 11 07:27 PM ACBL indy MP Robot duplicate classic 12 boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovera Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 As i have said in "How not to get to 7" in Interesting bridge hands this type of bidding and relatives answeres becaming from the same source that is the "Asking Bid" by Ely Culbertson. But this one was developed in two time. This part that i am discussing is correlated with the Old Asking Bid (when the answer [at an asking bid previously done] has indicated an Ace..). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovera Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 Until now we have considered 5♠ as query for 3rd round controll correlated with the Ace suit indicated. But what about 5NT instead of ? The meaning is not for extra lengh but information on King(s) starting cue bid but and when the answer is in the suit of the Ace this meaning King (and Ace) plus another King aside. Let' s suppose that has been indicated(=determinated) the Ace of diamond. Then after 5NT if 6♣ is the answer means King of club and Ace of diamond; with 6♦ as answer AK ♦ and another King. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovera Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 This integrative post it'd be considered at analysis level (that in bridge should be implemented). We are studying the case AKxxx in trump agree and relative support for (eventual) 10 card fit (lacking Q) but is interesting (and i have seen that's happening in real play) to consider its "reverse": AKx(x) as support with player that starts RKCB having so obteined :1) to know all existent controlls aside agree trump; 2) having partner bidded previously trump suit necessarly must have Queen and this one indipendently longness (that usually is 5 or 6 cards). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nullve Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 Maybe this is a good idea (as part of spiral scan): ...4N[RKC(♥)]-5♣[1/4 KC]; ?: 5♦ (trump Q(=1st card) ask, doesn't deny the trump Q)...5♥ = no trump Q......(...)......5♠ = 3rd card ask......5N = 5th card ask......etc.5♥ = to play5♠ = 2nd card ask5N = 4th card asketc. Nothing new, I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 Ah, 2010, back when 655321 and MFA were still here to dispense advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 If partner asks for the queen and gets a negative response but still makes another try then they are implicitly asking for extra trump length. How you handle specific suit asks here (and generally) is a matter for agreement. Does the J2N show 4 card support (it does for us) in this case partner would have already shown the Q if he had 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted December 7, 2015 Report Share Posted December 7, 2015 5 years later and I partly disagree with myself. I have evolved B-) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 Does the J2N show 4 card support (it does for us) in this case partner would have already shown the Q if he had 6.I agree and Rainer also pointed this out. Since this thread we have had several others touching on this topic and some attempts to define this sequence usefully. My position remains that asking for extra length is the number one option when that remains a possibility. The times when it is not any one of the other options is decisive are few and far between. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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