rduran1216 Posted September 4, 2010 Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 Playing Standard American You hold [hv=d=n&v=b&s=shq109xxxdxxcqxxxx]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] Your partner opens 1S and it goes pass to your right. 3H?...pass?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlson Posted September 4, 2010 Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 What's wrong with 1n? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 What's wrong with Pass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy_Scot Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 What's wrong with Pass?Hear Hear!!!A much neglected bid in some circles. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 Don't understand passing at all. What's wrong with Pass?Hear Hear!!!A much neglected bid in some circles. :)And yet there are other circles where it is much overused... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy_Scot Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 Don't understand passing at all. What's wrong with Pass?Hear Hear!!!A much neglected bid in some circles. :)And yet there are other circles where it is much overused...That is also true. On this hand one could make a case for 3♥ but it may be best to wait and see if pard LHO or pard can speak again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 Obvious pass. Don't understand bidding at all unless you like getting poor scores. Lol if you score a 2NT or 3S bid after a NT response. Playing a big C system there is more upside to bidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 1NT all day long. I would love to hear partner bid 2NT in which we can transfer to hearts and bid game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkDean Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 I would 1NT. I used to be the designated passer, but really think it is not a good idea on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted September 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 What's wrong with 1n? What if partner bids 3S after you bid 1NT, or even 2S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 Doesn't everyone see a misfit?? "Do ya feel lucky, punk?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 Pass is such a ridiculously terrible action that even nice-Josh (I swear he has existed before) would mock any non-beginner who did it. I won't even mention all the games and slams (yes slams) we could be missing (I'll ignore the grand slams since they aren't that frequent). I'll simply point out that this is not one of those times we can count on the opponents to keep the auction open for us if we have missed our best contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 Doesn't everyone see a misfit?? "Do ya feel lucky, punk?" Misfit? We could have an 11 card fit. Let's, oh I don't know, not declare the deal a misfit after a single opening bid by one player, hmm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 Doesn't everyone see a misfit?? "Do ya feel lucky, punk?" Misfit? We could have an 11 card fit. Let's, oh I don't know, not declare the deal a misfit after a single opening bid by one player, hmm? The odds of a misfit are high enough that I would hate to use a NON forcing 1NT call with the hand. No problems with a forcing or semiforcing 1NT call though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted September 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 even in 2/1 with your partner likely to rebid spades it is risky. I think pass is best regardless, but with Standard American I think pass is obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 even in 2/1 with your partner likely to rebid spades it is risky. I think pass is best regardless, but with Standard American I think pass is obvious. Very brave. Not the pass, with which I agree; but the post. :rolleyes: I have more respect for Josh's opinion, though, than he has for ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 even in 2/1 with your partner likely to rebid spades it is risky. I think pass is best regardless, but with Standard American I think pass is obvious. It is also true a meteor may crash through the ceiling of our bridge club as we play. While the chances of partner bidding two or three spades is more than an act of God, lets think of all of the things that can happen when we respond 1N: Negatives - - partner bids any number of spades. We need to pass and we possibly stayed a level or two lower had we not bid. For this to matter, the opponents have to have a non-fit in diamonds. - partner makes a jump shift into diamonds. Its possible we might escape to one of our suits, but not likely. Positives - - Partner bids anything but the above. This is a big net gain for us. It could be a huge gain when partner bids hearts. - Partner bids 2N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 Would be interesting..but maybe impractical...to do a "full deal" sim. Givens: 1S (P) ---1S=11-21, 5+Sp ----1NT=forcing 1R (are contructive raises relevant? ---3H response=7 of them ---throw out hands where 2nd seat should have acted. The problem would be to objectively decide how the auction would proceed after 1NT and after pass, including 4th hand action and 2nd-hand advances; then score it all up. Many results would be the same no matter what responder chooses on the first round. Per Phil, above --we would have to agree on what 2NT by opener means (if it is artificial with longer spades, it might go into Phil's "negatives" list). I suspect one side of the bid-or-pass issue would be very surprised --I am willing for it to be me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 - partner makes a jump shift into diamonds. Its possible we might escape to one of our suits, but not likely. Why not? This thread is still so lol. Oh no, we would play 1NT instead of 1♠ in a 5-0 fit, we can't let that happen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 - partner makes a jump shift into diamonds. Its possible we might escape to one of our suits, but not likely. Why not? This thread is still so lol. Oh no, we would play 1NT instead of 1♠ in a 5-0 fit, we can't let that happen! Or, god forbid, partner might bid 2N and we have to play 3H instead of 1S!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 - partner makes a jump shift into diamonds. Its possible we might escape to one of our suits, but not likely. Why not? This thread is still so lol. Oh no, we would play 1NT instead of 1♠ in a 5-0 fit, we can't let that happen! Or, god forbid, partner might bid 2N and we have to play 3H instead of 1S!!! Well yes but I am specifically referring to the answer(s!) that make it seem like bidding is worse playing standard american than playing 2/1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 i love passing but i'd piss myself laughing at anyone who passed this - why are you desparate to put your spade void down as trumps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 By the way if my earlier post wasn't clear, I think this is an easy 1N call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 i love passing but i'd piss myself laughing at anyone who passed this - why are you desparate to put your spade void down as trumps? Who says you will? Perhaps you would like to put your hand down after partner rebids S at some higher level? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 6, 2010 Report Share Posted September 6, 2010 Or, god forbid, partner might bid 2N and we have to play 3H instead of 1S!!!I think you mean 4H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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