Ogust in comp

[Phil]

2♠ - (pass) - 2N - (3♥)

?

 

What are:

 

- pass

- double

- 3N

- 4x

 

Thanks

[lexlogan]

I'd say:

pass = minimum range (6-7 if using 6-10)

dbl = extras, not 2 of top 3 in suit (best defensive hand)

3S = extras + 2 of top 3

3NT = AKQxxx

 

I wouldn't venture past 3NT except perhaps with a 6-5 hand.

[aguahombre]

Agree that 4X should not happen with any 2H bid which is within normal expectation for the vulnerability....would forget any attempts to recover Ogust-like responses.

 

Pass=any hand in the normal expected range, but no stiff or void in hearts.

Double=extra surprise defense

3NT=short in hearts. Pard can make asking bids after this if so disposed.

 

This assumes the 2NT bid was not some kee-jerk noise. Our weak two's are suit-concentrated, so fairly well defined to start with. The obvious problem with my answer is that we would not have the need for Ogust to begin with because of the discipline of the opening bid.

[mike777]

fwiw this treatment must be at least 30 years old.

 

 

pass=first step

next bid=second step

x or xx =third step.

etc.

 

so:

 

 

pass=step one

3s=step two

x or xx=step 3

3nt=step 4

 

This assumed:

bad/bad

bad hand/good suit

good hand/bad suit

good/good

[Mbodell]

A simple agreement that works ok much of the time is that responses are on and a pass shows an Ogust resonse below the suit bid, a X shows a stolen bid Ogust response and a higher call shows the higher Ogust response.

 

So here a pass would be a minimum hand (the ♣ and ♦ responses), a X would be a good hand with a bad suit, 3♠ would be good/good and 3nt would be the AKQxxx hand.

 

Obviously, the higher their call the less information you can get in this scheme, but it usually works out ok and any (reasonable) agreement is likely far better than any misunderstanding.

[lexlogan]

This assumes the 2NT bid was not some kee-jerk noise.  Our weak two's are suit-concentrated, so fairly well defined to start with.  The obvious problem with my answer is that we would not have the need for Ogust to begin with because of the discipline of the opening bid.

Right, I always ask my partners what kind of suit they consider minimum for a weak two. If they think xx Jxxxxx AQx xx is a weak two, we play Ogust. If the bid tends to show a good suit, I prefer Features.