Soundness of preempts

[MickyB]

Obviously, it is technically superior to preempt more soundly when in 2nd seat than when in 1st, and when vul than when NV. But how do these factors compare in importance?

 

Would your answer hold true for a mini NT (most likely 10-13 instead of our usual 12-14) and a 'Rough Diamond' (4-5♦, 4=major, weak)?

 

The background to my question, for those who are interested:

 

I like systems in the style of Nightmare (well, more in the style of Millennium Club as I prefer the natural 1♦ opener, but Nightmare is a much better name for a system than Millennium Club!)

 

Something like:

1♣ 15+♣ or bal, transfer responses

1♦ 5+cards unless 4441 or 4♦5♣

1♥ and 1♠ 5 cards

1N 12-14

2♣ 6♣ or 5♣4M, 11-14

2♦ Multi, possibly with strong options promising a major (Acol 2 with a 6 card major and GF with a 5 card major are both options to consider, see separate thread).

2M 5M and 4-5m

2N Weak in either minor (possibly including GF with 5D)

3♣ 5-5 ♣+red

3♦ Good preempt (2 top honours, 7-10 or so)

3M Nat, usually 7 cards

 

Sound preempts and sound opening bids (eg vul 2nd seat might make preempts 8-11 and 1M show 12+, or 11+ with both majors, with 6-10 and 11+/10+ in other situations).

 

In situations where the destructiveness would be worth the loss in constructive bidding, I would like to use a more aggressive version:

1♣ Same, but 14+, occasionally passed with 0-2 and no 4 card major.

1♥ and 1♠ 5+ cards, rule of 19

1N 10-13

2♣ Same, 10-13

2♦ Rough, 4-5♦4major

2M 5M4-5m

3M 6-7M, usually what most would consider a weak 2.

 

Here preempts would be more like 3-9. Would you use this second variation 1st vul or 2nd NV, or keep it to 1st NV?

[Trpltrbl]

Whatever method you use, stick to it, so your pd knows what to expect. Don't be one of these 0-11 HCP openers, no matter what seat you are in.

 

Mike :)

[Free]

It depends on how you see preempts imo. If you want to open as much as possible, then I'd suggest you throw away the 2♥ opening, and make it 44+M (or frelling two). Frequency is double as high, and it's harder to defend against. Also, a 2♥ Muiderberg like you suggest doesn't keep good opps from reaching their best contract.

 

Another issue is weither or not you can find your games and slams after preempts. If you can't, I'd stick to only 1st seat, however, if you can find all you need I'd surely play it 1st & 2nd seat. I noticed that bidding agressive in 1&2, and sound in 3&4, works just fine, perhaps even better than the normal style of weak 3rd seat openers.

[mishovnbg]

Best preempt 3 level any vul 1/2 seat - 6+ cards with 2 TH.

Best preempt 3 seat - is not good suit for lead B)

Best preempt 4 seat - solid/semi 6+ suit without side QT.

 

Best system - search forum for polish club, Rumen-Kalin version.

The system you describe is suitable only in not vul...

Misho