paulg Posted August 27, 2010 Report Share Posted August 27, 2010 [hv=d=n&v=n&s=sj8743hq7dcat6543]133|100|Scoring: IMPPass (1♥) ?[/hv]Adverse vulnerability opposite a passed partner. What's your poison? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted August 27, 2010 Report Share Posted August 27, 2010 pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted August 27, 2010 Report Share Posted August 27, 2010 3♣ for me shows this hand 5♠/5♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted August 27, 2010 Report Share Posted August 27, 2010 Pass...that Qx in hearts is not good news for offence....and the vulnerability sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted August 27, 2010 Report Share Posted August 27, 2010 1S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy_Scot Posted August 27, 2010 Report Share Posted August 27, 2010 Since I use ghestem with reg pards the heart says 2♥ is a possibility, but the head prefers pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted August 27, 2010 Report Share Posted August 27, 2010 2♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted August 27, 2010 Report Share Posted August 27, 2010 If you bid anything you're pretty much doing it ONLY for the preemptive value; the "we might find a sacrifice" horse and the "it might be our hand and LHO might be about to preempt partner" horse are either longshots or nonexistent. ♣A-empty, ♥Q-x, ♦-- look like things that might cause the opps to do down. PASS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted August 27, 2010 Report Share Posted August 27, 2010 If you bid anything you're pretty much doing it ONLY for the preemptive value; the "we might find a sacrifice" horse and the "it might be our hand and LHO might be about to preempt partner" horse are either longshots or nonexistent. ♣A-empty, ♥Q-x, ♦-- look like things that might cause the opps to do down. PASS.Actually, the Qx of hearts, which is so horrible for offence that I passed, is great on defence IF we show a 2-suiter. I'd expect to win the heart Q much of the time if I defend after showing a 2-suiter, but red v white, it's too easy to be going 500 or 800 against 420 or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted August 27, 2010 Report Share Posted August 27, 2010 pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted August 27, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2010 For the record bidding on the hand will get you -800 against -460. I just saw this hand at a random table and wondered how many would succumb to "6-5 come alive". Clearly this hand has a bunch of negatives and it's probably worse if you are not playing specific two-suiters. p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted August 27, 2010 Report Share Posted August 27, 2010 1S and pass are pretty close, I'd probably go with 1S to try and score my HQ but idk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiatus Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 If playing Raptor (where 1N shows 5+ clubs and exactly 4 of an unknown major) I would consider treating my spades as a 4-bagger and doing that. Probably not at these colors, though - I'd just hope the opponents bid to an uncontested suit game and then go down when things split badly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 1S. Definitely NOT pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 definitely pass. I don't want partner leading spades against their heart contract, and I don't want to give opps any distributional clues to help them play the hand, so 1♠ and michaels are both out, and I'm not preempting 2 ♠ or 3♣ on this, either, at unfavorable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 definitely pass. I don't want partner leading spades against their heart contract, and I don't want to give opps any distributional clues to help them play the hand, so 1♠ and michaels are both out, and I'm not preempting 2 ♠ or 3♣ on this, either, at unfavorable. How about them leading something against your 4S contract?Axxxxxxxxxxxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 I don't want partner leading spades against their heart contract Sorry I have to lol you here. Actually it is a pretty common problem I see that people don't realize who will be on lead when considering lead implications of a certain bid. But RHO will be declaring hearts so I wouldn't worry about it here! Of course LHO might play diamonds or NT and we might get a bad lead because of our overcall, it was just funny since you specifically said a heart contract :P and I don't want to give opps any distributional clues to help them play the hand I agree that this should probably rule 2H out, but I think it might be advantageous to overcall 1S for this reason. They are likely to misguess hearts (if they have to guess the queen) after our bid, and will not guess we have 6 clubs or no diamonds after our overcall. Overall I think 1S will make them MISguess the play more than guess it which is unusual (and maybe I'm wrong). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkdood Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 IF the vul were FAV who's for 2C or 3C then back in(under certain conditions)with spades later? :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 IF the vul were FAV who's for 2C or 3C then back in(under certain conditions)with spades later? :P Maybe with a few more aces! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 I don't want partner leading spades against their heart contract Sorry I have to lol you here. Dammit, good catch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 definitely pass. I don't want partner leading spades against their heart contract, and I don't want to give opps any distributional clues to help them play the hand, so 1♠ and michaels are both out, and I'm not preempting 2 ♠ or 3♣ on this, either, at unfavorable. How about them leading something against your 4S contract?Axxxxxxxxxxxx If you were playing with yourself (and I'm not implying that you are), then I'm sure you already overcalled 1 spade with your partner's hand, so let's rule that one out in favor of more probable hands, mmkay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 definitely pass. I don't want partner leading spades against their heart contract, and I don't want to give opps any distributional clues to help them play the hand, so 1♠ and michaels are both out, and I'm not preempting 2 ♠ or 3♣ on this, either, at unfavorable. How about them leading something against your 4S contract?Axxxxxxxxxxxx If you were playing with yourself (and I'm not implying that you are), then I'm sure you already overcalled 1 spade with your partner's hand, so let's rule that one out in favor of more probable hands, mmkay? rofl. Good catch Chris and you are quite right, I would have overcalled 1S with that. However, you get the point I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 (edited) IF the vul were FAV who's for 2C or 3C then back in(under certain conditions)with spades later? ;) If you overcall 3♣, I don't think you should bid again. The main purpose of a weak jump overcall is to take away their bidding space, in the hope that the end up in the wrong contract. It seems silly to do that and then assume that they've guessed right. Playing normal Michaels cue-bids, I'd bid 3♣ at all white or favourable. If I could show specifically spades and clubs, I'd do that, because the chance of finding a good save is higher. Edited August 28, 2010 by gnasher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simplicity Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 definitely pass. I don't want partner leading spades against their heart contract, and I don't want to give opps any distributional clues to help them play the hand, so 1♠ and michaels are both out, and I'm not preempting 2 ♠ or 3♣ on this, either, at unfavorable. How about them leading something against your 4S contract?Axxxxxxxxxxxx If you were playing with yourself (and I'm not implying that you are), then I'm sure you already overcalled 1 spade with your partner's hand, so let's rule that one out in favor of more probable hands, mmkay?Pard overcalled infront of their opening? :P I'd overcall with this hand, I appreciate it could go badly for us tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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