peachy Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 Hope this link works, I have never posted a movie before. If it doesn't work, I'll just type in the hands and post again. Please critique our auction. Edit: Answering questions - 2C was GF. http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer...H6|pc|DK|mc|13| Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 West needs to eat more wheaties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 I would either jump to 3N over 2♦ as west, showing 15-17 HCP in my methods, or I would bid 2N then 4N, having upgraded for my fitting diamond honors. Probably the latter. It might also be reasonable to support diamonds with the doubleton QJ. The only other questionable decision IMO was whether to rebid 3N as E immediately after 2♣, which for me would show 15-17 with a stiff heart (reason for not opening 1N) & a club stopper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudH Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 Hope this link works, I have never posted a movie before. If it doesn't work, I'll just type in the hands and post again. Please critique our auction. http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer...H6|pc|DK|mc|13| Was 2C forcing to game? Forcing to 2NT? Could 2D have been passed? Hard to answer without knowing the answers to above. If 2C was game forcing, I think both players underbid. I'd rather raise 2NT to 4NT with the East hand and I would raise 3NT to 4NT with the West hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 I think it was good through 2NT. Then I bid 3♣ as east, 3♦ as west, completing the description of both hands. Anyway as it went west has an east 4NT bid over 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted August 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 Hope this link works, I have never posted a movie before. If it doesn't work, I'll just type in the hands and post again. Please critique our auction. http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer...H6|pc|DK|mc|13| Was 2C forcing to game? Forcing to 2NT? Could 2D have been passed? Hard to answer without knowing the answers to above. If 2C was game forcing, I think both players underbid. I'd rather raise 2NT to 4NT with the East hand and I would raise 3NT to 4NT with the West hand. I would never raise 2NT to 4NT with the East hand. It is premature to do that IMO. What evidence is there that I should be inviting slam at that point and refusing to describe my hand further? Partner's 2C was searching for 3-card heart support, a club stopper, a fifth diamond, or whatever the description opener might give to help responder decide the next move (in addition to 2C being GF). I liked jdonn suggestion to bid 3C instead of 3NT, but 4NT is truly awful IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 The only other questionable decision IMO was whether to rebid 3N as E immediately after 2♣, which for me would show 15-17 with a stiff heart (reason for not opening 1N) & a club stopper. That works. Maybe Peachy didn't think of that. His partner's 2C, rather than 3N kept the ball in the court for slam...with his bit of extra values; but over 3NT by East, I think the auction would be swift to 6N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted August 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 The only other questionable decision IMO was whether to rebid 3N as E immediately after 2♣, which for me would show 15-17 with a stiff heart (reason for not opening 1N) & a club stopper. That works. Maybe Peachy didn't think of that. His partner's 2C, rather than 3N kept the ball in the court for slam...with his bit of extra values; but over 3NT by East, I think the auction would be swift to 6N. I did think about it, with only a single club stopper that was not even positional, I promptly discarded that idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 when given a 4SF, it is always a good idea if you can show both size and shape at the same time. Just my opinion, I could be wrong. Not convinced that the presence of only one club stopper, as opposed to only one spade stopper is really important to the decision whether to describe the hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted August 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 when given a 4SF, it is always a good idea if you can show both size and shape at the same time. Just my opinion, I could be wrong. Not convinced that the presence of only one club stopper, as opposed to only one spade stopper is really important to the decision whether to describe the hand. Tell me what you mean about "spade stopper". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 I think it was good through 2NT. Then I bid 3♣ as east, 3♦ as west, completing the description of both hands. Anyway as it went west has an east 4NT bid over 3NT. Agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 Playing that the jump to 3NT shows 16-17 HCP is a great agreement imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 Playing that the jump to 3NT shows 16-17 HCP is a great agreement imo. why not 12-14(15) and 2NT stronger? looks better to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 East West1D - 1H1S - 2C!2D - ?? 2NT = 12 -14 or 18,19 ( will next bid 4NT over 3NT w/ the stronger range ) 3NT = 15-17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 And for those who don't want to go thru a possible 4th Suit GF, especially with only a 4 card Major, there is this "immediate" 2/1 GF auction: East West1D - 2C! ( GF, does not deny a 4 cd Major )2D ( 5 cards, 1st priority and does not deny a 4 cd Major ) - 2H ( 4 cds )2S ( 4 cds ) - ?? 2NT = 12-14, or 18,19 ( will rebid 4NT over 3NT to show stronger range ) 3NT = 15-17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 Hi, the main issue with FSF agreed as GF is, that peoble quite oftendont discuss how to transmit strength.It does not really matter, if you play 2NT stronger than 3NT, as longas you have discussed this. Having said this, we are talking about a good 6NT contract, which ison with 32 withou bid fits, but every point of is really needed, and thereis no wastage, so I would just say, next bord. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 Playing that the jump to 3NT shows 16-17 HCP is a great agreement imo. why not 12-14(15) and 2NT stronger? looks better to me. WHAT! and leave extra room below game to explore for slam!! It's not like they were in a GF (NOT) and besides 2/1ers sneer at the fast arrival principle. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 Jumps in Notrump are treated differently by a whole lot of otherwise fast-arrival people. If a major suit fit is established in a GF auction, a jump to game is fast arrival. But jumps in notrump, when an auction is still searching for strain, show extra strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 I agree with agua. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 I agree with agua. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 I agree with agua.ditto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 Playing that the jump to 3NT shows 16-17 HCP is a great agreement imo. why not 12-14(15) and 2NT stronger? looks better to me. WHAT! and leave extra room below game to explore for slam!! It's not like they were in a GF (NOT) and besides 2/1ers sneer at the fast arrival principle. ;) Jumps should be descriptive and infrequent, IMO, since they take up bidding room. Also, you have more assurance that you do not need to explore for the best game when you have 28-30 HCP than when you have 24-26 HCP, so taking up the extra bidding room in this case actually makes the most sense with extra values. Fast arrival is different, in that you have already determined the strain in which you should be playing, removing that consideration from the jump principle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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