quiddity Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 [hv=d=w&v=b&s=sajxxxhaqj9xdxcxx]133|100|Scoring: MPP P 1♣ 2♣2♦ X P ?[/hv] With no previous discussion, how would you treat this double? Do you bid or pass? What is your preferred treatment for the double? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 Penalty double? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 Matter of agreements.Standard is penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 [hv=d=w&v=b&s=sajxxxhaqj9xdxcxx]133|100|Scoring: MPP P 1♣ 2♣2♦ X P ?[/hv] With no previous discussion, how would you treat this double? Do you bid or pass? What is your preferred treatment for the double?Hopefully dummy will hit with [hv=d=w&v=b&s=sajxxxhaqj9xdxcxx]133|100|Scoring: MPP P 1♣ 2♣2♦ X P ?[/hv] :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 Without discussion, I would treat is penalty. Michaels bidder showed which suits he has, so there is no "takeout" even existing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 What is all this talk about the possibility of a different agreement? Has anyone ever played when they open 1 suit and you show length in 2 other suits that doubling the 4th suit is anything but penalty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 What is all this talk about the possibility of a different agreement? Has anyone ever played when they open 1 suit and you show length in 2 other suits that doubling the 4th suit is anything but penalty? In the old days where Michaels could be 5-4 either way I played X as competitive, expecting partner to bid his longer suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 What is all this talk about the possibility of a different agreement? Has anyone ever played when they open 1 suit and you show length in 2 other suits that doubling the 4th suit is anything but penalty? I was rephrasing the OP question. With discussion, my agreement would be the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 What is all this talk about the possibility of a different agreement? Has anyone ever played when they open 1 suit and you show length in 2 other suits that doubling the 4th suit is anything but penalty? In the old days where Michaels could be 5-4 either way I played X as competitive, expecting partner to bid his longer suit. Touche, but obviously that doesn't apply these days... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 12, 2010 Report Share Posted August 12, 2010 When RHO opens a suit, we show two more suits, and partner doubles the 4th, the double is penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 What if 2D is forcing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 What if 2D is forcing? Yeah good point. Here the 2♦ bidder is a passed hand, though. But 2♦ shouldn't be forcing when two cuebids are available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 What if 2D is forcing? It's an impossible situation even if responder weren't a passed hand. "Is 2♦ forcing""Yes""Ok thanks I pass"hmmmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 As a split-range person, my expectation for a lot of matchpoints in 2DX is high. Top of the low range even for this vulnerablility with bullets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 What if 2D is forcing? It's an impossible situation even if responder weren't a passed hand. "Is 2♦ forcing""Yes""Ok thanks I pass"hmmmmm Wouldn't a non-forcing 2♦ need an alert in most jurisdictions. And if not would a forcing 2♦ need an alert. It seems to me that one or the other should be alerted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted August 14, 2010 Report Share Posted August 14, 2010 I think by the time the double occurred everyone at the table knew 2D was not forcing ---but of course I never think about an opening Psyche. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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