Gweny Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 Hi Friends... Please meet in BBO TDs Private club at 11am edt on Saturday August 14th. To get to club click PLAY BRIDGE----Private Clubs----BBO_TDs Please send agenda items to Gweny@bridgebase.com See you next week! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gweny Posted August 10, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 One of our agenda items...Private forum for BBO TDs where we can discuss, freely, td problems, suggestions, solutions in safe environment. See you Saturday at 11am in our private club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 One of our agenda items...Private forum for BBO TDs where we can discuss, freely, td problems, suggestions, solutions in safe environment. Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean y'all aren't out to get me. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Secret mens' and womens' business. Don't worry, if you are not Australian you won't get this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Ok.. I am not (often) a participant in the TD club thing. But I think the post in this thread make it clear why they feel they need a safe forum to discuss issues. There are a group of people (no names needed) who delight in posting how this director or that director is simply horrible. Look you get to play for free. 9 times out of ten when you play, you should never need to contact a director at all.. and if you are having contact with director torument and tournment, take a look at what you are doing and which tournments you choose to play in. If you are like me or dr todd (and yes, free and richard) and like to play a souped up system, pick tournments where these things are encouraged and accepted and stay away from the ma-and-pop lets's just have fun kind of things. And for goodness sake, let's try to calm down on tournment director bashing... I will admit, there are "BAD DIRECTORS" in the context that they make bad ruling, or don't know the rules or are very abrupt with users. But without these BAD DIRECTORS we would ahve a lot less opportunity to have the free-online tournments. IF you think you can do a better job, ask uday to give you TD priveledges and you come direct some tourments so the rest of us can get good ruling from a knowldedgable person such as yourself. And do what I do.. avoid directors who you think ruin the game for you. I have a whole list of ones I avoid. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Ok.. I am not (often) a participant in the TD club thing. But I think the post in this thread make it clear why they feel they need a safe forum to discuss issues. In all seriousness, has anybody checked the liability issues of this? In a public, unmoderated forum, uday is pretty safe: if TD "A" complains about the cheating of player "B" (who is a professional with paying bridge clients), "B" can sue "A" but not Uday. But a closed forum for the purpose of discussing cheaters by name and suchlike...this sounds dangerous. At least in the U.S., that could be considered libel...not by the person who wrote it, but the person who published it. I really don't like this idea. Why not use a private mailing list? That can be done without uday's knowledge or consent, so he's safe. It allows you to include some TDs and exclude others. It seems a whole lot less official, and therefore a whole lot safer. What is the advantage to using the forums? And do what I do.. avoid directors who you think ruin the game for you. Unfortunately, IMHO, the main result of such a forum will be for directors who ruin the game for you to ruin the game for you with all directors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Let me start, jtfanclub by saying you will not find a more avid supporter of your position that it is wrong for the TD to get togehter and share names of "Bad actors" (suspected cheaters, tourment leavers, plain rude, whatever)... and I ahve said so, many, many times before.... at the bottom of this post are just a few links to document my position on this issue. However, you misuderstand the purpose of a TD forum and the TD user group. These people get together and discuss what would be good for the software. They made a web page to teach new people how to use the software to direct online, they make recommendation to how to change the software (thinks liek allowing the TD to quickly find a hand played by a player without having to try to find the talbe wher4e an EW pair played a specific hand is worth its weight in gold to a TD). They are most definitely not getting together to discuss you or anyone else. I think the issue of TD sharing their list of evil doers (in thier minds) is a dead issue as a formal action. There is not much anyone can do about them sharing as individuals. But what they need to do is share experiences from the stand point of what do you do if... as a leanring exercise. It would be great is one who made a "Stupid ruling" and is now questioning if he did the right thing could come, post what he did and ask waht others thought about the ruling. Surely the others will, gentle, explain why what he did was wrong and what he should have done in a helpful constructive manner. what is happening now, is proactive people are coming here more than willing to tell the direcotor(s) what total asses they are and what they do is wrong. I can't count the number of times people have told McBruce what he is running is not bridge because he enforces SAYC on all players and the lilke. To his credit, he knows what he wants to do, and the "comments" by "experts" who disagree with how he runs his event don't bother him in the least. Other directors, however, are not as confifdent in what they are doing and such attitudes are not helpful to them. This is what this idea is about... the TD would just like some peaceful and quiet area where they can share their ideas wthout having their heads chewed off. For the links, see a few of these if you like. http://bridgebase.lunarpages.com/~bridge2/...indpost&p=19193 Where I said, among other things... "I have long maintained that any group getting together to "gossip" and gripe aboiut person X or Y as cheating is not a good idea. And I have long been against the concept of keeping a database of "problem causers" who TD think cheat or ohterwise disrupt their games. http://bridgebase.lunarpages.com/~bridge2/...indpost&p=19232 Were I pointed out with examples what is wrong with the idea of TD shairng problem makers with each other (but with abuse is ok). http://bridgebase.lunarpages.com/~bridge2/...indpost&p=15227 Where I said, among others...And finally, I find it distateful that a group of players will get together and complain about other players. Be this one private club complaining about another or one group of TD creating a database and tracking "bad actors" in their tournments. If someone is acting out in your tournment, ban them from future events you sponsor, and report them to uday. That is both the appropriate response and is perfectly adequate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gweny Posted August 10, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Well jt... if our only purpose is to bash players then we are no better than people who like to bash tds. In past this forum, bbo tournament directors, is technical, beneficial, helpful, solution base discussion about DIRECTING TOURNAMENTS and suggestions/wish list for improvements to our BBO TD interface. Clearly unless you ARE currently TD or CONSIDERING becoming TD then why this type discussion interests you is more for curiousity than some ability to add worth to discussion. Other tournament discussion forum is probably much better place for non TDs to post. When BBO TDs avoid this forum to point they rarely, if ever, visit let alone post then we bbo TDs are losing valuable resource to improve our skills, and BBO TDs interface. After all it is people who are using this interface who can see where we can offer suggestion for improvement to Uday/Fred, which they may impliment if technically feasible. At present this forum is like waste land. TDs litterally stop directing as direct result of amount of negativity they find here, thereby depriving many people of fun entertaining tournaments. Not all of BBO users are expert plus, and as Inquiry points out most users rarely if ever need to contact td. For them it is just nice pleasant opportunity for friendly competition for x number of boards. So when small group drive off very people this forum is intend for then i think reasonable people will ask for private forum where we CAN ask question without fear of ridcule or worse from people who do NOT direct tournaments here on bbo and offer no help/solutions to problems we/TDs experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spwdo Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Hi, jt and others, its kinda claer that some players/forumusers have a love/hate relation with directors. Many times i ve seen a legit complaint from a player coming to seek support on the forum, several bbo users only discoverd bboforum after a bad call from a td. I understand where the"heads chewed off" mentality is coming from cause most users here have a long list of tds in wich tourneys they never play again even if . Example today, played a tourney, i asked for adjust to A== because only one card was played, td asked me what table i played???? i explained him no longer needed and where faeture was, 3 baords later i clicked on tds name, we were still playing and td WAS PLAYING IN ANOTHER TOURNEY. My point is , we all have/had bad experience with tds.Many of these probs coud have been avoided if tds that were new looked into stuff already out there, agree very much. But a a more social envirement where only active tds coud post and be commented on disccisions/issues and find all other help woud be usefull. I ve seen new directors posting a new topic" i demand that spychic bids shoud be alerted" , well after a post like that and the comments that follow it u can be almost certain that the new td hides for several mothns under a stone or changes his username and so on. All that is important is that tds improve/trying to improve their job and u aprivate spot would help there cause too many are afraid to come with their questions/concerns/tips for software improvements e.o. Spwdo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 However, you misuderstand the purpose of a TD forum and the TD user group. Yes, I did misunderstand, including the purpose of this forum. Thank you for clarifying it for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fouad Posted August 14, 2004 Report Share Posted August 14, 2004 Well Done Gweny this shld have been done from long time ago ... We NEED PRIVATE CLOSED FORUM FOR TDs ONLY ...where no one come and show his muscles and try only to show .. ..This step sure will make many TDs come back to this forum not to fight and defend useless topics ... but for real sake and benefit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbikin Posted August 14, 2004 Report Share Posted August 14, 2004 dear gweny, all posters, tds im sure we are not perfect-no td is. but we are tryign our best, we did and we will.we need space where without fear can ask questions.yes gweny, pls do it sooner the betterlovebarbara/blackbikin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirjam_3 Posted August 14, 2004 Report Share Posted August 14, 2004 Well, i dont have anything to hide and i like comments good or bad, ones i like and ones i do not like. I think a td-club only is not a real good idea. We need feed-back from all. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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