opp preempts

[ArcLight]

IMPS, White on Red RHO deals and opens 2♥ (a weak 2 in hearts, 6 cards, with at least 1 honor, the hand can have 10 HCP)

 

What do you bid holding:

♠ Q J 10 9 7 6 5

♥ Q x x

♦

♣ Q J 10

[gwnn]

2 spades. not really a great hand in terms of controls, but it's got a fair amount of spades.

 

I wonder how many people will say "don't preempt over a preempt" in this thread.

[CSGibson]

agree 2 spades.

[pooltuna]

2 spades. not really a great hand in terms of controls, but it's got a fair amount of spades.

 

I wonder how many people will say "don't preempt over a preempt" in this thread.

at least 2 since you count as first

[whereagles]

Easiest pass of the week :)

[Codo]

don#t preempt over a preempt.

 

So, is this a preempt? No.

 

Is this a two spade bid? Yes, but at own risk.

[Pict]

2S but ready to apologise because I don't think partner will make allowance for this hand when it matters.

[ONEferBRID]

I wonder how many people will say "don't preempt over a preempt" in this thread.

3S over 2H would be a preempt over a preempt.

 

But 2S over 2H is just an overcall.

 

This hand is even better than the one Eric Rodwell overcalled on ( from a national team championship several years ago ):

 

Rodwell

Q 9 x x x x

x

x x

K x x x

 

His partner put him in 4S ... which he made by not allowing righty in to push a Cl thru !

Meckstroth

A x x

Q T x

A K Q J T

9 x

[jdonn]

I bid my 7 card major, serious wtpppppp

[Fluffy]

I don't have the values to bid so I pass

[655321]

2♠

[awm]

I'd pass.

 

This hand differs from Rodwell's hand in one critical respect: the number of hearts.

 

Partner's expected hand given my values and the preempt is something like a weak notrump in values. If he has this hand, he is probably bidding game over my two level overcall. The important questions here are what I think I can make opposite that hand, and whether partner will balance on that hand anyway.

 

If partner has heart length and I have the given hand from this thread, we probably can't make a game. There is a fast heart ruff coming from LHO and any values partner might have in diamonds will be wasted. So I expect that bidding 2♠ will quite often get me to a non-making game. If partner has heart shortage then we will often make a game, but partner was bidding over 2♥ anyway (or opponents might even raise hearts, in any case I get another opportunity). So by passing, I get to 4♠ most of the time it makes (i.e. partner has relatively short hearts) and avoid it when it fails (partner has longer hearts) as well as possibly getting out in 3♠ when partner has a good but misfit hand with long diamonds.

[whereagles]

Rodwell's hand sucks. I can only understand such a bid in the context of some inverted overcall scheme, where you bid on rubbish and dbl or pass+bid later on decent hands.

[the hog]

Easiest pass of the week :)

Totally agree with Nuno. I seriously do not understand why anyone would bid 2S on this quacky rubbish hand unless they hate their partner.

[aguahombre]

Short version: Partner is the dangerous opponent if I overcall.

 

Long verson: Exactly what Adam said.

[eyhung]

I would pass for exactly the reasons awm described. Qxx of hearts is the death holding that strongly encourages me to pass and see if partner wants to defend. I do realize the spades have an incredible offense/defense ratio that may make bidding work out (partner may be reluctant to reopen with short spades). I could be convinced that 2♠ is right but my instinct seeing ♥ Qxx is to pass and see what partner does. Perhaps my instinct to bid 2♠ with QJT98xx of spades should be stronger. But I don't think it's a slam dunk decision as Josh implies. Certainly I would never dream of bidding 2♠ here with an old-fashioned partner, I expect those partners to hang me.

[P_Marlowe]

2S.

 

The playing power of the hand outweights the missing HCP count.

 

With kind regards

Uwe Gebhardt

[Free]

Easy pass at the moment

[MFA]

Pass for now.

[bluecalm]

So I expect that bidding 2♠ will quite often get me to a non-making game. If partner has heart shortage then we will often make a game, but partner was bidding over 2♥ anyway (or opponents might even raise hearts, in any case I get another opportunity). So by passing, I get to 4♠ most of the time it makes (i.e. partner has relatively short hearts) and avoid it when it fails (partner has longer hearts) as well as possibly getting out in 3♠ when partner has a good but misfit hand with long diamonds

 

So your plan is to bid 3♠ over:

 

2♥ pass - 3♥ pass

pass - ?

 

Partner here won't raise you to game with many hands opposite which the game makes imo.

 

What about:

 

2♥ pass 4♥ pass

pass ?

 

Bidding 4♠ looks suicidal here but partner may well have a hand when it makes or is cheap sacrifice.

[ArcLight]

I passed, LHO passed, and pard ....

 

well, had I bid 2S or 3S we could have made 6.

Instead [pick up] pard bid 5♦, down a few, "Last Hand for me" as my dummy went down.

 

I was worried about the hearts, could easily be 2 losers, and even if pard over ruffs LHO (assuming hearts are 2-2) I could then afford just 1 more loser.

 

But I'm begiining to think 2S would have bene the correct bid.

If pard has Ax in spades, 2 hearts, and Axx in Clubs, we can make 4S, assuming LHO has both black kings.

 

New question -

Bididng goes 2♥ - (2♠) - pass -

 

what do you expect your pard to have for the 2♠ bid?

5 spades?

5 good spades?

6 spades?

A full opening bid?

Or 5 good spades with at least 1 quality points / nothing wasted in hearts / decent shape?

 

Is it better to pass, or better to bid 2S, risking pard gets too high?

[Codo]

Despite the fact that I had choosen the successfull call this time, there is surely no one and only right call.

 

Anybody who thinks that passing this hand is bad has no understanding of bidding- or a very different view of this matter. Actually the other view: Bidding 2 Spades is nuts- has more for it to go, after all, you will be in difficulties with some possible bidding scenarios. Some thought that it is worth the risk, some don't.

 

If you decide to bid 2 spade and you fail for -800 there or after partners raise, you need an excusion for your silly bid and your partner had left you too.

[Fluffy]

I passed, LHO passed, and pard ....

 

well, had I bid 2S or 3S we could have made 6.

Instead [pick up] pard bid 5♦, down a few, "Last Hand for me" as my dummy went down.

You are probably blaming yourself too quickly, it is very possible that both pass and 2♠ should end up playing in spades. Partner is probably more at blame that you.

[gwnn]

I wonder how many people will say "don't preempt over a preempt" in this thread.

3S over 2H would be a preempt over a preempt.

 

But 2S over 2H is just an overcall.

thank you for your kind reply and clarification.

[ONEferBRID]

I wonder how many people will say "don't preempt over a preempt" in this thread.

3S over 2H would be a preempt over a preempt.

 

But 2S over 2H is just an overcall.

thank you for your kind reply and clarification.

Well, I need to clarify myself.

A 3S-jump is OK to make, but not with this hand.

It should be a strong hand w/Spades since one does not preempt over a preempt .