Reverse drury

[h2osmom]

In the New Orleans nationals, flight B GNT, there was a pair who played no fit drury. It showed limit raise values and said nothing about a fit in opener's suit at all. They both referred to it as drury, and seemed not to know that most people play that drury does indicate a fit.

[aguahombre]

In the New Orleans nationals, flight B GNT, there was a pair who played no fit drury.  It showed limit raise values and said nothing about a fit in opener's suit at all.  They both referred to it as drury,  and seemed not to know that most people play that drury does indicate a fit.

Did it show clubs? If so, it probably would have been better to not alert or call it anything unless Opener must make a specified set of rebids to show min or max.

 

Or maybe we should alert our passed hand 2C response to 1M as "natural and forcing for one round, with no artificial follow-up structure". It certainly is highly unusual and unexpected, since the vast majority use some form of the "D" word.

[gnasher]

I agree with MikeH. How should I vote?

 

Regarding the other vital matter being discussed in this thread, I think that to guarantee implies more formality than to promise - typically a guarantee is written but a promise is verbal. To guarantee something doesn't, in general, imply any financial commitment, unless it's on the lines of "I guarantee that I'll pay you [in some specified circumstances]."

[jdonn]

I agree with MikeH. How should I vote?

I'm not sure why you don't know, the question being asked is what you think (reverse) drury means now.

[mikeh]

I agree with MikeH.  How should I vote?

I'm not sure why you don't know, the question being asked is what you think (reverse) drury means now.

Andy agreeing with me is such a rare event that it has him at a loss!

 

(I on the other hand often agree with him :) )

[h2osmom]

In the New Orleans nationals, flight B GNT, there was a pair who played no fit drury.  It showed limit raise values and said nothing about a fit in opener's suit at all.  They both referred to it as drury,  and seemed not to know that most people play that drury does indicate a fit.

Did it show clubs? If so, it probably would have been better to not alert or call it anything unless Opener must make a specified set of rebids to show min or max.

 

Or maybe we should alert our passed hand 2C response to 1M as "natural and forcing for one round, with no artificial follow-up structure". It certainly is highly unusual and unexpected, since the vast majority use some form of the "D" word.

no, it had nothing to do with clubs, it was just limit raise values and they would continue bidding to find the right strain.

[gnasher]

Andy agreeing with me is such a rare event that it has him at a loss!

 

(I on the other hand often agree with him :) )

I often agree with you, but when I do you've usually already said everything I can think of to say. Anyway, most threads can support only one 500-word post.

[Echognome]

In the New Orleans nationals, flight B GNT, there was a pair who played no fit drury.  It showed limit raise values and said nothing about a fit in opener's suit at all.  They both referred to it as drury,  and seemed not to know that most people play that drury does indicate a fit.

Did it show clubs? If so, it probably would have been better to not alert or call it anything unless Opener must make a specified set of rebids to show min or max.

 

Or maybe we should alert our passed hand 2C response to 1M as "natural and forcing for one round, with no artificial follow-up structure". It certainly is highly unusual and unexpected, since the vast majority use some form of the "D" word.

no, it had nothing to do with clubs, it was just limit raise values and they would continue bidding to find the right strain.

You are confusing me somewhat with your use of the term "limit raise". To me "limit raise" means you are showing a fit, since you are "raising" my suit. The "limit" aspect of it is that you are showing invitational values. Compare that with "weak" or "preemptive" or "mixed" or "game forcing" raises, all of which show a fit, but imply different strengths.

 

Perhaps what you mean to say is "invitational values", which may or may not have a fit?

[jdeegan]

:D Kind of a duh... issue. Pard may not GUARANTEE or ever PROMISE a ♠ fit, but his hand better be able to handle a response of 4♠ by an opener with a wide variety of good hands. Hiding the nature of opener's strength with an immediate jump to game is too valuable to give up

 

With discussion one could devise a system that precluded a 4♠ bid by opener, but that is another story.