jdonn Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 Just checking, ty all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 wtf ?Did you find some propbet donk to bet against and he requested a panel ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 easy with the "d" word when it comes to fellow posters :) anyway, this will definitely be unanimous.not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 easy with the "d" word when it comes to fellow posters :) anyway, this will definitely be unanimous.not. LOL. I didn't see the hidden language until I started to respond to your post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 Not unanimous. No bid ever promises anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 Not unanimous. No bid ever promises anything. Sure it can, I think you are mixing up "promises" with "guarantees". You can break a promise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 You can, but you shouldn't. I prefer "shows". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 Not unanimous. No bid ever promises anything. Sure it can, I think you are mixing up "promises" with "guarantees". You can break a promise. I'd rather break a guarantee than a promise. A guarantee is putting my money where my mouth is. If I break that, I pay up. If I break a promise, however, the "backing" is my word. So, I never promise, but I might guarantee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 The heart of the matter. "No bid ever promises anything" is ken rexford style only and should not necessarily be assumed to apply in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 You can, but you shouldn't. I prefer "shows". Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 JDonn, if you went over/under 90% it's amazingly close... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 If anyone votes there is an exception I am also interested to hear what it is. So far all I have is a disagreement with saying "promise". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 If anyone votes there is an exception I am also interested to hear what it is. So far all I have is a disagreement with saying "promise". I don't like the word "promises", but it definitely shows a spade fit, so I voted accordingly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 The obvious exception: when I forgot we play Drury. Having an agreement, and remembering it are two separate subjects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 Another exception is when you have a tactical reason to fudge the support. Not sure when that would happen, but I like options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted August 10, 2010 Report Share Posted August 10, 2010 The "reverse" in "reverse Drury" is only about the responses 2♦/M to 2♣. So it still promisses a fit (although you can psych). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted August 10, 2010 Report Share Posted August 10, 2010 Forgetting or psyching isn't an exception to the agreement. Actually I am more interested in an explanation of the difference between 'promises', 'shows' and 'guarantees'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyhung Posted August 10, 2010 Report Share Posted August 10, 2010 Another exception is when you have a tactical reason to fudge the support. Not sure when that would happen, but I like options. If you're going to focus on options, I much prefer to give the unpassed opener the option to bid 4M directly over 2♣, thus disclosing nothing extra to the defense, or the option to open light and not have to worry about playing 2M with a potential misfit, rather than to give the passed hand the option to completely destroy his partner's ability to judge both strain and level. Options are good, but some options are better than others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted August 10, 2010 Report Share Posted August 10, 2010 Another exception is when you have a tactical reason to fudge the support. Not sure when that would happen, but I like options. Why on Earth would anyone psyche Drury? In the hope that next time you use it they think it's a psyche again so the don't sac? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2010 Forgetting or psyching isn't an exception to the agreement. Actually I am more interested in an explanation of the difference between 'promises', 'shows' and 'guarantees'. I didn't think about it when I posted the problem, I probably should have said "shows". But it's clear to me guarantees is the strongest, then promises, then shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted August 10, 2010 Report Share Posted August 10, 2010 I always presumed Drury (reverse or otherwise) showed a fit ... until I saw an ACBL card had a 'Fit' box to check on the Drury line, alongside options for Reverse and 2-way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffford76 Posted August 10, 2010 Report Share Posted August 10, 2010 Why on Earth would anyone psyche Drury? In the hope that next time you use it they think it's a psyche again so the don't sac? I don't know about psyching Drury, but I psyched a pass of Drury in the midnights in New Orleans. Now LHO "knew" they had spades, leading to an amusing 2S-3 by their side to pick up some imps for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted August 10, 2010 Report Share Posted August 10, 2010 And they can't accuse you of having controls for that psyche :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted August 10, 2010 Report Share Posted August 10, 2010 I always presumed Drury (reverse or otherwise) showed a fit ... until I saw an ACBL card had a 'Fit' box to check on the Drury line, alongside options for Reverse and 2-way.That's because drury, as originally invented, didn't promise a fit...it merely asked about opener's strength. Drury was invented at a time when RS tendencies ran high....very, very solid opening bids in 1st and 2nd. This approach mandated very, very light action in 3rd and even 4th seat, else one risked being passed out cold for game! Drury mutated quite early, and one variant...that eventually became standard...was known for a while as 'drury-fit'. Eventually 'everybody' played it as fit showing and the 'fit' in drury fit was dropped as redundant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted August 11, 2010 Report Share Posted August 11, 2010 Another exception is when you have a tactical reason to fudge the support. Not sure when that would happen, but I like options. Why on Earth would anyone psyche Drury? In the hope that next time you use it they think it's a psyche again so the don't sac? :lol: :lol: p p 1M p 2C p p! p thats a fun psyche that comes up fairly often. But yeah, if you psyche the 2C bid you've thrown good decision making in the trash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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