mohitz Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 ♠AJx ♥Axx ♦xxx ♣xxxx IMPs, they vul, we not. Partner deals 1♦ - (2♥) - p - (3♥) X - (p) - ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 looks like a pass to me.. partner should have a good hand for this double and they should be going for 500. I anticipate that he didn't have a good hand for this double and they are going for 200 or we're going for 730. that's life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 4♥. Passing is lol to me. You can try it at MP's or against morons but against serious competition most likely they are either making or going for small number when you could make a game/slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossoneri Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 Pass. Can't see a reason to pull this unless there's something special about the double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 Easy pass, got them! Partner probably has a heart void so my ace is a bad card for offense. If he has a singleton he is that much stronger anyway. And he should not be some random minimum hand that doubles because he has short hearts, he needs extras. If I bid I would bid 3NT and at least get use out of my ace. Why would I be dying to play in a suit on this hand? If partner doesn't pass 3NT I'll know what to do next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 ♠AJx ♥Axx ♦xxx ♣xxxx IMPs, they vul, we not. Partner deals 1♦ - (2♥) - p - (3♥) X - (p) - ? pass and try to beat the contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 pass and write 2 zeros on the plus column Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 Pass and trump. Obviously no guarantees but it looks clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 Pass and trump. Obviously no guarantees but it looks clear. Ace of trumps, if we lead low who knows he might get a ruff we could have prevented. Plus there is no reason to lead low since partner shouldn't have a doubleton, plus even if he has a doubleton we have an ace to get in with and lead the third. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 Pass and definitely lead the Ace of trump followed by my highest spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 I think you guys play against morons too often :-)Still can't believe pass is popular. If you think "we got them" just because you have 2 aces with no real trump stuck there is something wrong with either your opponents or yourself... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 a poster who would have less tact than I might say "and you bluecalm, you play with moronic partners too often :-)" but since I am tactful I will just say that this is not a very nice thing to say, my opponents are highly intelligent, at least when I am comparing them to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 a poster who would have less tact than I might say "and you bluecalm, you play with moronic partners too often :-)" but since I am tactful I will just say that this is not a very nice thing to say, my opponents are highly intelligent, at least when I am comparing them to me. Yeh, well being in Utah I thought Mr. Calm said Mormons. Anyway, I think pass shows more respect for partner than distain for opponents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 I have a problem here.On one hand seeing you guys passing reasonable approach is to assume I may be wrong.On the other hand I am so sure and this is so "lol so ezy" case for me that I mentally unable to change my attitude for now. It would be great if some of you who know some elite players could ask them about this problem and post.I really want to be more open minded about this problem but for now I am just unable to :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 I pass and lead my ace of trump and another and am very happy to hold something else that will take a defensive trick, my ace♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 It's not that we expect good opponents to go for some huge number here. I expect the normal result for passing to be +500. Occasionally it will be +200, and occasionally +800. The issue is that it's not clear where we are going on this hand. Despite a lot of values, it doesn't seem that we have a really good fit anywhere. We might make 3NT, but we have only the one heart stop and it's easy to imagine going down if we have to lose a trick to establish partner's diamonds. We might make five of a minor, but it's also possible to imagine going set if things break badly... and if the suits were breaking, opponents might not compete to 3♥, and would probably go for a big number in 3♥ anyway. So the attitude here is to take your plus score. You're almost always getting a plus score. If it's +500 or +800 you just outscored your own game. If it's +200, at least there is consolation that your game will not always make, and that you would've had to "guess" somewhat which game to bid (and might have gone wrong). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 They got us. Pass. Feel unlucky if it makes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 My main objection is "sure 200 maybe 500".Partner may well be 3-1-7-2 or 4-1-6-2 with weak spades. Hands like: Qxx x AKQxxxx Ax or: Qxx x AKJxxx AQx or even: Qx x AKJxxx AKxx mean 3♥ often makes when we often make game ourselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiddity Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 Why are you playing partner for such unlikely holdings? A doubleton spade for his takeout double? A solid SEVEN card diamond suit?? Why not just play him for his most likely holdings: 4144, 4054, 3154, scattered extra values? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 My main objection is "sure 200 maybe 500".Partner may well be 3-1-7-2 or 4-1-6-2 with weak spades. Hands like: Qxx x AKQxxxx Ax or: Qxx x AKJxxx AQx or even: Qx x AKJxxx AKxx mean 3♥ often makes when we often make game ourselves. Well now, that's a rather un-diverse gallery of example hands don't you think? And they can easily be down on the second and third anyway, not to mention on the second and third you may well go down in game (depending what game you bid). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 Pass. We don't have game and they are not making, not even close. If someone didn't have what they promised, then so be it. Pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 I have a problem here.On one hand seeing you guys passing reasonable approach is to assume I may be wrong.On the other hand I am so sure and this is so "lol so ezy" case for me that I mentally unable to change my attitude for now. It would be great if some of you who know some elite players could ask them about this problem and post.I really want to be more open minded about this problem but for now I am just unable to :) There have been posts in this thread from at least one elite player and from at least one other who is very good (I am not one of those two). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 I have a problem here.On one hand seeing you guys passing reasonable approach is to assume I may be wrong.On the other hand I am so sure and this is so "lol so ezy" case for me that I mentally unable to change my attitude for now. It would be great if some of you who know some elite players could ask them about this problem and post.I really want to be more open minded about this problem but for now I am just unable to :) There have been posts in this thread from at least one elite player and from at least one other who is very good (I am not one of those two). Gwnn is both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 This one is easy. I expect to be able to lead 3 rounds of trump before dummy can score a ruff, assuming dummy can even threaten a ruff. I have 2...count them....2 Aces, and partner wasn't playing me to have them..yet felt able to double 3♥. Yes, we can (just) construct hands on which he'd double and they may make. Big deal. It is very easy to talk onself into silly positions (such as pulling) by focussing on a narrow but possible scenario, thus overlooking the far more likely scenarios where the opps have just volunteeed 800 against 400 or 500 against a partscore. I suspect bluecalm is fixated on the mantra: never double a partscore into game at imps unless you have it beaten in your own hand. If the opps never make a doubled into game partscore, you either have the best judgment in the world or, and this is far more likley, you don't double enough. Put another way on this hand....after we (eventually) play 3 rounds of trump, where are declarer's other 4 tricks?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 Case closed. When MikeH converts for penalties, it is 100% clear. (he has a long history of not doubling part scores). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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