rduran1216 Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 [hv=s=sak109743hak9d1053c]133|100|[/hv] Auction 1S p 2D p? playing 2/1, whats the rebid here with this hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 2♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 2♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 2♠No problem, you are in a gf auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 This is the beauty of 2/1. You don't have to go blasting around, for fear pard will pass. 2S is fine, even though it doesn't really say anything about your hand. You can find out what partner's plan is. It would be nice to know whether 2D guarantees more than 4 of them, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted August 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 well your partner is an unknown. partner's hand a 2254 14 count. without giving you partner's holding 1S p 2D p2S p ? what's your call now. The HCP are spread out in all suits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 well your partner is an unknown. partner's hand a 2254 14 count. without giving you partner's holding 1S p 2D p2S p ? what's your call now. The HCP are spread out in all suits partner rebids 3♣, and you probably rebid 3♠, though 3♦ has some merit as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 well your partner is an unknown. partner's hand a 2254 14 count. without giving you partner's holding 1S p 2D p2S p ? what's your call now. The HCP are spread out in all suits partner rebids 2N and you rebid 3D. nice auction so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 [hv=s=sak109743hak9d1053c]133|100|[/hv] Auction 1S p 2D p? playing 2/1, whats the rebid here with this hand? 2s no problem yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 well your partner is an unknown. partner's hand a 2254 14 count. without giving you partner's holding 1S p 2D p2S p ? what's your call now. The HCP are spread out in all suits if 2s promises 6 then 3s..slam try now if not then 2nt now. Some prefer that 3s immed.raise always promises 3 not matter what 2s rebid shows..many different styles here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted August 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 So your partner bids 3S over 2S, now you bid 4C, and partner bids 4D, so you bid 4H and partner bids 6S partner's hand QxQJAQ10xxKxxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 How good the slam is depends on who really has the diamond ten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted August 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 my apologies, partner has QxQJAQ9xxKxxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 3S. Given that I have a 7 card suit, headed by AK, I will make clear, that we play my suit.As it is, playing with a stranger, 2S may not even be a 6 card suit. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 well your partner is an unknown. partner's hand a 2254 14 count. without giving you partner's holding 1S p 2D p2S p ? what's your call now. The HCP are spread out in all suits It is either 2NT or 3C, depends on the quality of the club suit.After having seen partners hand, I would go with 2NT. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 I'd say the bidding should go: 1♠-2♦2♠-3♣3♦-3♠4♣-4♦4♥-6♠ Where 3♠ shows 2 cards and 4♣ is a cue-bid agreeing spades as trumps. I'm not so sure about the continuation, but that's ok. Also, I agree with the waterman about the ♦T situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 2S would probably be mainstream but I don't like it. You would make the same bid with Qxxxx-AKx-xxx-Kx as you would with this, a much more powerful hand and suit. I play the variant where 1S-2D-3S shows a good 6+ card suit (does not say "solid") and slight extras like 15+ so I would bid 3S. Any thought of a diamond raise at this early time is silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 2S would probably be mainstream but I don't like it. You would make the same bid with Qxxxx-AKx-xxx-Kx as you would with this, a much more powerful hand and suit. I play the variant where 1S-2D-3S shows a good 6+ card suit (does not say "solid") and slight extras like 15+ so I would bid 3S. Any thought of a diamond raise at this early time is silly. Isn't that the idea of having a catch-all? Here's a hand where you can't be sure of the right denomination so you just temporarily bid 2♠, waiting for partner to clear out what he has, what's partner to do with: Qxx(x)AKQxx(x)KJxx(x) over 3♠? Isn't the ♦ slam better? Isn't 2♠ a better path to it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiddity Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 So your partner bids 3S over 2S, now you bid 4C, and partner bids 4D, so you bid 4H and partner bids 6S partner's hand QxQJAQ10xxKxxx Did I misunderstand the auction? Partner game-forced and then raised spades and has only a quacky 14-count with 2-card support. Why did partner bid 6S? Anyway, I guess 2S is right with opener's hand - you don't want to set trump when partner could have a small singleton spade and a good diamond suit. Partner should then bid 2N and now if opener bids 4C what is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted August 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 our actual auction was 1S p 2D p3S p 4NT p5D p 5NT p6H p 6S p7S when my partner moved over 3S, I was sure she had the A of clubs and AK diamonds, probably honor 3rd and didn't bid 7 because of the A of clubs. I got lucky and it rolled, but I wonder how many would bid 7S over 6S in this sequence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 You should bid 7♠ over 5NT if you are going to bid 7♠ no matter what. If you don't, there's a significant chance director will roll it back to 6+1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 finding both the king and jack of diamonds onside ---or opening lead of club ace and the diamond king onside ----is a bit more than "got lucky". No rollback. The opps were just plain fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 I'm not sure I agree but even if you were right, I am not talking about the director's duties, but the player's. Normally if you know that you are going to bid 7 no matter what, do it over 5NT, not over his 6 level signoff. If you don't know for sure, think about it over 5NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 Isn't that the idea of having a catch-all? Here's a hand where you can't be sure of the right denomination so you just temporarily bid 2♠, waiting for partner to clear out what he has, The idea of catchall covers situations where opener doesn't have a more descriptive bid available. In my preferred methods, a completely descriptive bid was available so it would have been wrong to resort to the catchall and at the same time deny the exact hand that opener had (6+ good suit and 15+ or equivalent slight extras). The only objection to not using the systemic 3S call might be that opener not only had slight extras, but *significant* extras. I am not forcing my system upon you, but what does opener's rebid of 3S mean in your methods? Or for others, who would have rebid 2S with the given hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted August 10, 2010 Report Share Posted August 10, 2010 I understand your idea Peachy, but the problem is that it is too difficult to reach 6 ♦ after a 3 ♠ rebid. Make your hand 6313 or so and many would agree with your choice. I had choose the rout via 1 ♠ 2 ♦ 2 ♠ 3 ♣ 3 ♦ 3 ♠ too, but I had still been unsure about strain and sttrength despite 3 rounds of bidding. :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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