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[kenberg]

1C-(4H)-pass-pass

4NT

 

No previous discussion. I, in first position, opened 1C on a big hand (18 or 19 highs, I forget the exact hand) and 2=2=4=5 shape. 5C is a bit lucky but it comes home. Unfortunately we were not in 5C.

 

 

Partner and I are, I think, both open to opinions on the meaning of 4NT. Partner's shape was 5=2=3=3.

[aguahombre]

I would have guessed 7-5 in clubs and diamonds......but were you in a strong club auction?

 

A double by the club opener would probably have to do, with a random balanced or semi-balanced mountain.

Edited August 6, 2010 by aguahombre

[neilkaz]

I'd play this as "pick a minor suit" but only on days ending in y.

 

.. neilkaz ..

[kenrexford]

Without discussion, minors with longer clubs.

 

With discussion, minors with longer clubs.

[bluecalm]

7-5 in clubs and diamonds

 

6+-4+ is enough for me. Something like:

 

xx x AKJx AKQxxx

[Free]

2 suits, usually minors unless you have 6♣-5♥.

[MickyB]

2 suits, usually minors unless you have 6♣-5♥.

You might decide to defend with that :D And yes, minors, but 4-5 is definitely not enough.

[Free]

2 suits, usually minors unless you have 6♣-5♥.

You might decide to defend with that :D And yes, minors, but 4-5 is definitely not enough.

Oh woops, thought it was a 4♠ overcall...

[cherdanno]

If you want to bid with 2245, then you should double, in case partner can pass. But the percentage action is probably a pass.

[the hog]

A big hand with the minors, but Clubs of course are longer.

[pooltuna]

I would have guessed 7-5 in clubs and diamonds......but were you in a strong club auction?

 

A double by the club opener would probably have to do, with a random balanced or semi-balanced mountain.

generally agree with this

[pooltuna]

double post deleted

[kenberg]

I think of this as two parts: What does the 4NT call mean, and should I have made it. Meaning: TO for the minors seems to be pretty much the consensus, with differing views about how shapely it has to be. Judgment: No one is enthusiastic about my dub-dub-4-5. I agree, and definitely 5C is a lucky make, but here are the hands as best i recall (no hand records, played a week or so ago, my memory is not remotely photographiic). Matchpoints, I don't recall the vul.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[hv=d=s&n=skxxxxhxxdkxxcjxx&s=saxhkxdaqxxckqtxx]133|200|Scoring: MP

Something like this[/hv]

 

 

W has a 3=7=1=3 shape including the AQ of hearts and the A of clubs. With spades splitting, clubs behaving and the board entry in diamonds I don't think they can stop me from taking four clubs, three diamonds ant four spades in 5C. But right, it's very lucky. And 4S played N is down 2 (heart-heart-club-heart should set up two spade tricks).

OK, that's resulting. But do I really have to pass when 4H rolls back to me? I do have to worry about partner bidding 4S over a double, do i not?

 

responding to a question: No, not a big club auction. Std 2/1 stuff w strong no trumps.