How would you bid these two hands ?

[sathyab]

[hv=d=w&v=b&n=sahqxda9xxxcaxxxx&s=sqxxhaktxxdqtxxck]133|200|Scoring: IMP

(2s)[/hv]

 

After a Weak2 on your left. Opponents stay silent the rest of the auction.

[Cyberyeti]

This is a hand much easier to defend if it's opened a multi than a straight weak 2 as P then 2N shows the N hand.

 

I really don't feel I can pass the N hand with this few spades and 3 aces. Partner most probably has hearts, so the easiest start is with 3♦.

 

(2♠)-3♦-P-3♠ (good raise)

P-4♣-P-4N (♥ cue, no spade cue slam interest)

P-6♦ (with K♦ as well would bid 5♠ to look for grand)

[gnasher]

I can imagine defending 2♠ on a bad day - all of North's possible actions are unappealing, and I don't think it's automatic for South to bid after 2♠-pass-pass.

[junyi_zhu]

[hv=d=w&v=b&n=sahqxda9xxxcaxxxx&s=sqxxhaktxxdqtxxck]133|200|Scoring: IMP

(2s)[/hv]

 

After a Weak2 on your left. Opponents stay silent the rest of the auction.

2S 3D p 3H (gf, natural)

3S(doubt in 3NT) p 4D(support)

4S(cue, slam interest) 6D( good enough)

[kenrexford]

Dealer was West, and I'm not passing with the North hand.

 

So, I'd open 1♦ and get a 2♠ overcall. With the South hand, 3♥ works. North then probably makes a practical call of 3♠ and thereby lands us in 3NT.

[sathyab]

Dealer was West, and I'm not passing with the North hand.

 

So, I'd open 1♦ and get a 2♠ overcall.  With the South hand, 3♥ works.  North then probably makes a practical call of 3♠ and thereby lands us in 3NT.

I didn't say it right. West deals and opens a weak2 Spade.

[sathyab]

This is a hand much easier to defend if it's opened a multi than a straight weak 2 as P then 2N shows the N hand.

 

I really don't feel I can pass the N hand with this few spades and 3 aces. Partner most probably has hearts, so the easiest start is with 3♦.

 

(2♠)-3♦-P-3♠ (good raise)

P-4♣-P-4N (♥ cue, no spade cue slam interest)

P-6♦ (with K♦ as well would bid 5♠ to look for grand)

I like the idea of not introducing ♥s naturally here. Can we construct a hand where 4♥ is the only game ? Unfortunately at the table I did bid 3♥; my partner was stuck so he raised ♥s, now I made a general purpose slam try with 4♠. Partner cue-bid 5♣ and I bid 5♦. Partner must have thought I was cue-bidding the ♦K for he bid 6♥ (:-

 

Partner could have bid 3♠ instead of raising ♥s or bid 5nt over 5♦ as choice of slams. But if you don't introduce ♥s at all, things are a lot easier. Of course if was MP, you'd have to bid it the way Junyi Zhu suggested.

[pirate22]

well it depends what your defencce to opps weak 2's 2d/2h/2s...agreements in pos'n

also a defence to multi 2d's...agreements in position.

coming back to hands presented...

x by north=Take out.{i think the hand is ours p}

2n/t by north=minor orientated.{have we a fit}

cue bid stronger than a x, Cue=keep bidding open till game or slam.

3cl/3d=competeing

4cl/4d=what do you think p?

5cl/5d=thats it, single suited hope to make it.

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So auction proceeds

 

2sp!--2n/t--p--3d{no rush}

P --3sp --p--4h

P --The one thing you know is Partner does not have min 3 card cl suit,also he does not have a spade stop-yes he does have a ht suit-so at worst he has 3/5/3/2,or

4/4/3/2

so bid 4n/t =ace ask if zero --5d if 1 ace -go for it 6 diamonds.

he could be 3/4/4/2.

 

But one has to have an agreed defence.

[CSGibson]

I'd probably bid (2♠)-4N-(p)-6♦. I'm not proud of 4N, but I'm going to bid it anyway.

[quiddity]

I thought overcalling 3♦ was rich. 4NT seems completely insane.

[gwnn]

correct is probably to defend 2♠ but in practice I'd bid 3♦ from N :D

[aguahombre]

(2S) 3S (?) 6D

 

With Leaping Mike avail, 3S shows minors and a good hand. The 6D jump is mild humor unless East raises. But, eventually we should get there.

[Cyberyeti]

(2S) 3S (?) 6D

 

With Leaping Mike avail, 3S shows minors and a good hand.  The 6D jump is mild humor unless East raises.  But, eventually we should get there.

Nah, (2♠)-3♣-P-6♦ is humour :D

 

And many people play (2♠)-3♠ as bid 3N with a stop although you can play it 2 way.

[JLOGIC]

I'd probably bid (2♠)-4N-(p)-6♦. I'm not proud of 4N, but I'm going to bid it anyway.

wat

[aguahombre]

and many people play (2♠)-3♠ as bid 3N with a stop although you can play it 2 way.

Yeh, many do. But others believe partner will know whether he has a stopper or not without being asked.

[CSGibson]

I thought overcalling 3♦ was rich.  4NT seems completely insane.

You're right. I would probably never bid 4N without already being on tilt or something. It's a huge overbid, with the only upside being that when it's right, it's really really right. I totally looked at where I wanted to be and fabricated an auction to get there.

[Cyberyeti]

and many people play (2♠)-3♠ as bid 3N with a stop although you can play it 2 way.

Yeh, many do. But others believe partner will know whether he has a stopper or not without being asked.

Partner knows whether he has a spade stop, but when the auction goes (2♠)-3any-(3♠) he doesn't know whether his small doubleton in a side suit is covered and whether he should be bidding 3N or not. 3♠ tells him it is.

 

Playing it 2 way may be best.