Good bid!

[jkdood]

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[Phil]

Justin:

 

I don't really have the patience or the interest to read all of your little childish tirade - and didn't. I stopped reading after about the 3rd paragraph. So I won't respond to your flame-bait - since I didn't even read what you said.

 

I appreciate your bridge contributions to BBF, but I (and probably thousands of others that read this) can do without your rants.

 

Phil

[JLOGIC]

I AM A PSYCHOPATH BUT MIKEH IS GIVING ME THE HELP I NEED

[mikeh]

Justin: lighten up, ok?

 

We all know you are a fine bridge player and an intelligent guy (altho I suspect that there are several posters here whose IQ's significantly exceed yours). So Phil is overly sensitive...where does that give you licence to unleash a multi-paragraph personal attack in which you repeat remarks already made about how you don't care about him...only, it seems about friends? How many times do you have to say how little you care about him?

 

You may have your sycophants who lap up everything you write, but when you stray from bridge into personalities, you risk creating a bad impression of what kind of human (as opposed to what kind of bridge player) you are. Of course, maybe you don't care. Which would also say a lot about you.

[JLOGIC]

I AM A PSYCHOPATH BUT MIKEH IS GIVING ME THE HELP I NEED Edited August 5, 2010 by JLOGIC

[jkdood]

You've got a lot of great qualities Justin, and most enjoy them immensely. Some just never will, that makes a world, which is full of great things as well as crap.

 

Like most folks, you may occasionally have your lesser moments, and if people react strongly it's just a sorta personal baggage that gets the best of them (or worst of them.) So whatever.

 

Just know your many good personality traits and contributions would be missed greatly if they were gone from this forum and elsewhere. So stick around, and do what you do. PLEASE!

[JLOGIC]

I AM A PSYCHOPATH BUT MIKEH IS GIVING ME THE HELP I NEED

[jkdood]

Yeah yeah, you got problems. Who doesn't?

 

You also can be charming, funny, smart, loyal, helpful, talented, insightful, etc.

 

What's not to like?

 

OK you can be annoying and if you don't take your meds, lose a grip.

 

So what?

 

I mean cmon. perspective, man.

 

Not self-pity, not "you'll be sorry when I'm gone"

 

Because we would be. Many here love you, like you, enjoy you.

 

Even those you might piss off.

 

So shake it off man, please.

[JLOGIC]

I AM A PSYCHOPATH BUT MIKEH IS GIVING ME THE HELP I NEED

[mikeh]

 

 

Ahh, following the thread of Phil posts, always an interesting and exciting excersize.

Lol Phil you're very funny. Let's do another "follow the Phil posts."

 

This seems to be the start of the attack. Sarcasm is evident. As a user of sarcasm, I think I recognize it. It is an aggresive form of humour.

 

So now that the great jdonn has agreed with Phil, he sees this as ammo to fire a shot! He has been attacked, but with jdonn agreeing with him he musters of some courage:

 

This is an accusation of cowardice. Hmmm...looks like a personal attack to me

 

What kind of pathological disorder do you have where it has to be about you?

 

Suggesting that someone has a pathological condition is rarely seen as complimentary

 

I'm sorry if it hurt your feelings that I thought that wanting to say sorry generally shows a neutral characteristic that is probably a positive thing in the social bridge settings that you usually play in.

 

Maybe this is neutral, but when I read it I took it as a not-so-subtle reference to the levels at which you play compared to the levels at which Phil plays. It may be that my view was biased by your historical patronizing of Phil and the games in which he plays. It may seem silly to you but a lot of people have a significant and important (at least to them) life outside of bridge and bridge is a hobby, not a way to earn a living. Making patronizing comments demeans you more than it does your target. I wouldn't have mentioned this passage were it not for the context.

 

Then there were the oft-repeated refrences to how little you care about Phil...a repetition that struck me as odd if you didn't care about him or his comments. I thought you protested a little too much...or were you really trying to drive home just how insignificant people like Phil are to you?

 

As for my passive-aggressive attack on you...wow...another psychological analysis! I may be mistaken, in which case I extend to you my apology, but I recall a thread in which my impression was that you posted your IQ, which is, if memory serves high. I was not referring to my IQ, or to me, when I suggested that there may be several posters here with higher IQs...it struck me then and now that posting one's high IQ on a site such as this is a weird thing to do. Maybe it wasn't you who posted it or maybe it was in jest. As I say, if I misunderstood, I regret that part of my post.

 

As for some people thinking you are an asshole...I am not in that camp. As someone who is quite capable of acting like an asshole on occasion (and you may think I am doing so in this thread) I am not going to judge someone merely on the words they write on a forum post unles they are truly despicable words.

 

I would hope that someone who dishes out the criticism as strongly as you do won't sulk off somewhere merely because someone gives some back to you. I don't think you are that cowardly...and I respect your bridge views very much and would not like to see those posts come to an end.

[Phil]

OK I did read the long post you made. It was actually kind of funny, and I found myself laughing like Peachy did. However, I have issues with it now.

 

Before I start I'm really at a loss about how you think I was getting personal. Later, I called you childish (sorry about that - oops there's my lack of killer instinct coming through).

 

I mean, I read the whole thing several times and I just scratch my head. You kept the killer instinct thing neutral (although later you said that it was important to someone who plays a high level of bridge), TimG disagrees, I disagree with him and then I make a harmless joke about it when Josh seems to agree with me. (Later you discussed how I mocked you. MOCKED you! Like you are some kind of royalty. This I still laugh about). So where did I get personal?

 

But I guess it wasn't that harmless. You talk about Josh's lack of killer instinct, and I happened to disagree. Yeah, you know him better than I do, but this isn't a contest about that. I just offered a different viewpoint. Then you went out of your way to say how you didn't care about how I acted at the table. I had just returned from a bike ride, read this, and simply responded AMIIC.

 

How am I doing so far?

 

Then you go off on your rant / ad hominem attack / tirade, whatever you want to call it. Something must have really set you off. I have no problem with you rehashing what is said in a public forum and putting your own spin on it. However, I do have problem when you accuse me of:

 

- looking silly

- saying dumb things

- having a pathological (i.e. mental) disorder

- playing in social bridge games (i.e., weak)

- being childish.

 

Do you agree these are personal attacks? Do you deny any of this?

 

---------

 

So I'm like making dinner and happen to read a little bit about your rant. I make a brief response (so I thought) You bring Haspel into it who is a mutual friend, since apparently he has credibility with me and you don't. You try to make light of it, but you can't.

 

---------

 

Mike steps in. Now, regardless of what you say, there is simply no one, and I mean NO ONE that everyone respects on here more than him. I mean, talk about taking on the biggest dog on the block.

 

And you respond...

 

So I practically choke on my dinner as I read this endless string of epithets which is mercilessly edited by Inquiry. I mean, its so sad. I've been on here for about seven years and I've never read anything like this. Not even when you were going off about that 5♠ thread about four years ago.

 

However, I'm not mad, nor my feelings are hurt, since I am much more concerned about you after reading that.

 

So, I'm willing to forget the whole thing if you are and go back to talking about bridge. If you want to continue on this path, I don't want any part of it.

[mikeh]

I don't care anymore. I'm a bad person I'm a jerk I'm mean I'm not smart I think I'm better than I am, I'm only good at bridge because I was lucky to get opportunities, I am uneducated, I'm a drug addict, I'm a gambling addict, I am a psychopath, I fail so much I can't even kill myself, blah blah blah.

 

You made me crack and you can laugh at that. I have cracked. You all win. Phil, Mike, everyone, you all win. Don't you see now? I'm a psychopath. You win. I can't deal with anything. You win. You all win. Good job. I don't care anymore.

 

Whatever you want from me you have it. I have nothing. I am pathetic. This post is pathetic. It's all pathetic. I don't know what else you want. I have nothing left. One day it will all be over and that is the only hope I have left, that life is not eternal. But hey, that's something.

Now that post was funny! Especially read together with the 'signature'. There's hope for us all yet...unless you meant it, in which case...get help, Justin. Meanwhile I am laughing with you, I hope.

[JLOGIC]

I AM A PSYCHOPATH BUT MIKEH IS GIVING ME THE HELP I NEED

[Fluffy]

I'm a bad person I'm a jerk I'm mean I'm not smart I think I'm better than I am, I'm only good at bridge because I was lucky to get opportunities, I am uneducated, I'm a drug addict, I'm a gambling addict

Agree with JLOGIC

 

 

 

Just kidding!

 

[lmilne]

Agree with JLOGIC

haha, good one fluffy B)

 

also, I never realised there was so much pent-up drama and personal vendettas on BBF until I read this thread. Isn't bridge just a game any more?

[lmilne]

also, I'm no mod, but editing a post seems a bit incomplete...maybe deleting a whole couple of pages of this thread, posting a warning to keep things on topic (so long ago! what were we talking about again?), other stuff? people come into this thread to find out about the hand and discussion on that ended a long time ago.

[fred]

Since the topic has changed to something on which I have an opinion, I will offer it:

 

As someone who has played a reasonable number of boards against Justin (including a bunch in New Orleans), I can say with complete confidence that he is an absolutely GREAT bridge player.

 

I also happen to like him very much from a personal point of view.

 

Fred Gitelman

Bridge Base Inc.

www.bridgebase.com

[Free]

I don't care anymore. I'm a bad person I'm a jerk I'm mean I'm not smart I think I'm better than I am, I'm only good at bridge because I was lucky to get opportunities, I am uneducated, I'm a drug addict, I'm a gambling addict, I am a psychopath, I fail so much I can't even kill myself, blah blah blah.

 

You made me crack and you can laugh at that. I have cracked. You all win. Phil, Mike, everyone, you all win. Don't you see now? I'm a psychopath. You win. I can't deal with anything. You win. You all win. Good job. I don't care anymore.

 

Whatever you want from me you have it. I have nothing. I am pathetic. This post is pathetic. It's all pathetic. I don't know what else you want. I have nothing left. One day it will all be over and that is the only hope I have left, that life is not eternal. But hey, that's something.

<kidding>Is this a good time to call you a troll? B) </kidding>

[scrote]

also, I'm no mod, but editing a post seems a bit incomplete...maybe deleting a whole couple of pages of this thread, posting a warning to keep things on topic (so long ago! what were we talking about again?), other stuff? people come into this thread to find out about the hand and discussion on that ended a long time ago.

Don't be such a killjoy

[mikeh]

Since the topic has changed to something on which I have an opinion, I will offer it:

 

As someone who has played a reasonable number of boards against Justin (including a bunch in New Orleans), I can say with complete confidence that he is an absolutely GREAT bridge player.

 

I also happen to like him very much from a personal point of view.

 

Fred Gitelman

Bridge Base Inc.

www.bridgebase.com

I don't see anyone disagreeing with either aspect of your post, Fred, either before or after. Even likable people sometimes write things they shouldn't...the internet makes that far easier than it is in person: I know, I have been guilty of much the same...that was all my post(s) to Justin were about

[bill1157]

All 32 pages have so far been very entertaining. sometimes the greatest complement you can pay a bridge player is to say that he(she) cheated and then be unable to explain how!

 

Bill

[ArtK78]

All 32 pages have so far been very entertaining. sometimes the greatest complement you can pay a bridge player is to say that he(she) cheated and then be unable to explain how!

 

Bill

32 pages of posts on this thread and this may be the strangest one of all.

[gwnn]

I agree with almost everything in this thread (obviously not posts that are contradictory to one another), but I don't understand one thing.

 

MikeH, whoever told you that you were likeable?

[jkdood]

All 32 pages have so far been very entertaining.  sometimes the greatest complement you can pay a bridge player is to say that he(she) cheated and then be unable to explain how!

 

Bill

32 pages of posts on this thread and this may be the strangest one of all.

Wow, that take ME off the hook (sorta)

Thanks, Art!

[junyi_zhu]

I don't care anymore. I'm a bad person I'm a jerk I'm mean I'm not smart I think I'm better than I am, I'm only good at bridge because I was lucky to get opportunities, I am uneducated, I'm a drug addict, I'm a gambling addict, I am a psychopath, I fail so much I can't even kill myself, blah blah blah.

 

You made me crack and you can laugh at that. I have cracked. You all win. Phil, Mike, everyone, you all win. Don't you see now? I'm a psychopath. You win. I can't deal with anything. You win. You all win. Good job. I don't care anymore.

 

Whatever you want from me you have it. I have nothing. I am pathetic. This post is pathetic. It's all pathetic. I don't know what else you want. I have nothing left. One day it will all be over and that is the only hope I have left, that life is not eternal. But hey, that's something.

You are certainly not a bad person. Well, not very good either. I think most people are like that including me. I actually think you are my friend despite that incident. Sometimes, I think I am a jerk too if I don't control my emotion. I certainly respect your bridge a lot. I think in some sense, every good bridge player is a jerk....