bluecalm Posted July 24, 2010 Report Share Posted July 24, 2010 We play that 1M - 4M is very wide range (could be 13hcp with 2-3-4-4 etc.). Precision. Nobody vul, imps: ♠5 ♥QJ983 ♦AQ4 ♣AQ76 1♥ - pass - 4♥ - 4♠? Your options are : pass = nothing specialdbl = let's defed or5♥ = obviously to play Your choice ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted July 24, 2010 Report Share Posted July 24, 2010 Pass. I'm a bit better than partner would expect for both offense and defense, but if partner has a 3 count with 5 hearts I don't want to double and may want to sac. If partner has a flat 10 count I likely want to defend doubled. If only one of partner or I knew which he had... :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted July 24, 2010 Report Share Posted July 24, 2010 I have no clue but I think double is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcurt Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 You really need to change your methods so that double is convertible or whatever you want to call it. Your combined assets are just not well enough defined to play double simply to increase the scoring value of the contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 yes, don't play X= let's defend! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 Change your agreements. Perhaps you could start watching some top strong club pairs on Vugraph to see if they do anything different (for example, see if any of them play double by opener as showing interest in taking the push to the 5 level). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted July 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 Haha I guess it's a joke :)Unfortunately it's too rare a situation and Meckwell hasn't been there on vugraph so I don't know what's proper agreement. Thanks guys for pointing this out :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 Sounds like a poor agreement to me, in that the 4M bid is too wide ranging. It is not too hard to construct hands where slam can make with a 13hcp with 2-3-4-4 etc opposite a Precision opening.With the hand in the op, I would double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayin801 Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 I think a lot of people use X as "Bid 5♥ with a preemptive hand but let it sit with defense." Partner is always welcome to come back in with a pass later. Within that context I would still pass and be content to sit for partner's X later. 4S and 5H could both be down if partner has, say, Axxxx in hearts and out. As the agreements are, you have no choice but to pass :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted July 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 Sounds like a poor agreement to me, in that the 4M bid is too wide ranging. It is not too hard to construct hands where slam can make with a 13hcp with 2-3-4-4 etc opposite a Precision opening. The idea is to make them guess too. I've made tons of imps/mp's already thanks to opponents competing with crap when 4M bidder had balanced 13. I don't care much about thin slams. Anyway, assuming I adopt better agreement pointed by some here that double means extras/readiness to compete, do you double here or pass ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 "I don't care much about thin slams." AkxxxxAxxxxxx QxxxKQJxAxxxx Thin slam? Lol. Please don't tell me you would move after 1S 4S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted July 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 Well, probably not as 4card support is huge in case partner is 5-5 or 6-4 but with: Qxx Kx AJxx QJxx I am bidding 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 5♥ for me but not sure if bidding to make or to save :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 Pass wtp. Partner has told you that slam is not a possibilety, and that she has a very good idée about what to do if the opponents compete. No reason to overrule with an ordinary maximum hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 I would rather play pass = nothing specialx = lets play 5H unless you want to defend5H = i want to play 5H even if you want to defend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 It's not like you have to worry about the maximum balanced raise to 4 here anyway, partner will double when 4♠ comes back to him to show that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 Pass wtp. Partner has told you that slam is not a possibilety, and that she has a very good idée about what to do if the opponents compete. No reason to overrule with an ordinary maximum hand. He's not allowed to hold xx, AKx, Kxxx, Kxxx or xxx, AKxxxx, xxx, K ? Slam is still possible, but you have no clue whether you should be bidding, doubling or passing, and neither on many hands does partner. You have a problem created by your system, you're probably best to double although this can go horribly wrong if partner is weak. Provided partner has some spades, he'll work out that this is most likely to be a good hand rather than a spade stack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 pass wtp. double=I want to defend doesnt make sense BTW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted July 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 pass wtp. double=I want to defend doesnt make sense BTW. Ok, I get it. So what's some example hands you would double with if the hand from OP doesn't qualify ? You have a problem created by your system Obviously I have a problem, this is why I am posting seeking for advice.I don't get why people are pointing this out all the time I mention those 1M - 4M auctions. Obviously we will have some problems, obviously they will have hard time too. Obviously I think our problems are smaller than theirs. Got it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 pass wtp. double=I want to defend doesnt make sense BTW. Opposite a lot of nondescript hands where partner will pass if you do, you do want to defend doubled. You really expect partner to bid or double on xx, Axxxx, Jxx, Jxx for example or xx, Axxxx, Kx, xxxx. If you think partner doesn't bid 4H on this, there are plenty of other possibilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 Pass wtp. Partner has told you that slam is not a possibilety, and that she has a very good idée about what to do if the opponents compete. No reason to overrule with an ordinary maximum hand. He's not allowed to hold xx, AKx, Kxxx, Kxxx or xxx, AKxxxx, xxx, K ? Maybe, but they are borderline. Any losses sustained from defending 4♠X on these are collateral. "Double = I would like to bid on, pass only if you are heavily inclined to defend." Makes the most sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 pass wtp. double=I want to defend doesnt make sense BTW. Opposite a lot of nondescript hands where partner will pass if you do, you do want to defend doubled. You really expect partner to bid or double on xx, Axxxx, Jxx, Jxx for example or xx, Axxxx, Kx, xxxx. If you think partner doesn't bid 4H on this, there are plenty of other possibilities. And opposite a lot of nondescript hands where partner will pass if you do, you do want to defend undoubled. By not forcing opener to bid anything but pass, on hands where he wants to defend, you can eat your cake, and have a part of it. On many of those hands where you could succesfully double, your wide-ranging 4♥ have already given you a plus-score, on a hand where you would normally go minus. Of course nothing is bulletproof, but a "penalty-like" double seems to take care of the least amount of problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 KJTxxxxxxAQxQ AQxQxxxxAKxxx KQxxxxxxxxAKx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted July 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 Those are all "let's defend doubles"... :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 You asked me a question and I answered it. I am posting frommy phone and quoting partially is rather tiresome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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