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Precision 1M - 4M in trouble


bluecalm

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We play that 1M - 4M is very wide range (could be 13hcp with 2-3-4-4 etc.). Precision.

 

Nobody vul, imps:

 

5 QJ983 AQ4 AQ76

 

1 - pass - 4 - 4

?

 

Your options are :

 

pass = nothing special

dbl = let's defed or

5 = obviously to play

 

Your choice ?

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Pass. I'm a bit better than partner would expect for both offense and defense, but if partner has a 3 count with 5 hearts I don't want to double and may want to sac. If partner has a flat 10 count I likely want to defend doubled. If only one of partner or I knew which he had... :)
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You really need to change your methods so that double is convertible or whatever you want to call it. Your combined assets are just not well enough defined to play double simply to increase the scoring value of the contract.
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Sounds like a poor agreement to me, in that the 4M bid is too wide ranging. It is not too hard to construct hands where slam can make with a 13hcp with 2-3-4-4 etc opposite a Precision opening.

With the hand in the op, I would double.

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I think a lot of people use X as "Bid 5 with a preemptive hand but let it sit with defense." Partner is always welcome to come back in with a pass later.

 

Within that context I would still pass and be content to sit for partner's X later. 4S and 5H could both be down if partner has, say, Axxxx in hearts and out.

 

As the agreements are, you have no choice but to pass :/

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Sounds like a poor agreement to me, in that the 4M bid is too wide ranging. It is not too hard to construct hands where slam can make with a 13hcp with 2-3-4-4 etc opposite a Precision opening.

 

The idea is to make them guess too. I've made tons of imps/mp's already thanks to opponents competing with crap when 4M bidder had balanced 13. I don't care much about thin slams.

 

Anyway, assuming I adopt better agreement pointed by some here that double means extras/readiness to compete, do you double here or pass ?

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Pass wtp.

 

Partner has told you that slam is not a possibilety, and that she has a very good idée about what to do if the opponents compete. No reason to overrule with an ordinary maximum hand.

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Pass wtp.

 

Partner has told you that slam is not a possibilety, and that she has a very good idée about what to do if the opponents compete. No reason to overrule with an ordinary maximum hand.

He's not allowed to hold xx, AKx, Kxxx, Kxxx or xxx, AKxxxx, xxx, K ?

 

Slam is still possible, but you have no clue whether you should be bidding, doubling or passing, and neither on many hands does partner. You have a problem created by your system, you're probably best to double although this can go horribly wrong if partner is weak. Provided partner has some spades, he'll work out that this is most likely to be a good hand rather than a spade stack.

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pass wtp. double=I want to defend doesnt make sense BTW.

 

Ok, I get it. So what's some example hands you would double with if the hand from OP doesn't qualify ?

 

You have a problem created by your system

 

Obviously I have a problem, this is why I am posting seeking for advice.

I don't get why people are pointing this out all the time I mention those 1M - 4M auctions. Obviously we will have some problems, obviously they will have hard time too. Obviously I think our problems are smaller than theirs. Got it ?

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pass wtp. double=I want to defend doesnt make sense BTW.

Opposite a lot of nondescript hands where partner will pass if you do, you do want to defend doubled.

 

You really expect partner to bid or double on xx, Axxxx, Jxx, Jxx for example or xx, Axxxx, Kx, xxxx. If you think partner doesn't bid 4H on this, there are plenty of other possibilities.

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Pass wtp.

 

Partner has told you that slam is not a possibilety, and that she has a very good idée about what to do if the opponents compete. No reason to overrule with an ordinary maximum hand.

He's not allowed to hold xx, AKx, Kxxx, Kxxx or xxx, AKxxxx, xxx, K ?

 

Maybe, but they are borderline.

 

Any losses sustained from defending 4X on these are collateral.

 

"Double = I would like to bid on, pass only if you are heavily inclined to defend." Makes the most sense to me.

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pass wtp. double=I want to defend doesnt make sense BTW.

Opposite a lot of nondescript hands where partner will pass if you do, you do want to defend doubled.

 

You really expect partner to bid or double on xx, Axxxx, Jxx, Jxx for example or xx, Axxxx, Kx, xxxx. If you think partner doesn't bid 4H on this, there are plenty of other possibilities.

And opposite a lot of nondescript hands where partner will pass if you do, you do want to defend undoubled.

 

By not forcing opener to bid anything but pass, on hands where he wants to defend, you can eat your cake, and have a part of it.

 

On many of those hands where you could succesfully double, your wide-ranging 4 have already given you a plus-score, on a hand where you would normally go minus.

 

Of course nothing is bulletproof, but a "penalty-like" double seems to take care of the least amount of problems.

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