bluejak Posted July 26, 2010 Report Share Posted July 26, 2010 Well, they banned my favourite system. It is the view of the people who play the Blue Club 1NT that it is not natural and so needs an alert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 26, 2010 Report Share Posted July 26, 2010 It is the view of the people who play the Blue Club 1NT that it is not natural and so needs an alert.But it appears to be the view of the authors of the Orange Book that it does not: 5 G 3 Players should not alert:...(3) A natural 1NT opening that has some agreed distributional constraints such as having no four card major, or allowing a six card minor. If I played this method, I too would find a way, legal or otherwise, to make sure that the opponents knew what the bid meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluejak Posted July 26, 2010 Report Share Posted July 26, 2010 It is the view of the people who play the Blue Club 1NT that it is not natural and so needs an alert.But it appears to be the view of the authors of the Orange Book that it does not: 5 G 3 Players should not alert:...(3) A natural 1NT opening that has some agreed distributional constraints such as having no four card major, or allowing a six card minor. If I played this method, I too would find a way, legal or otherwise, to make sure that the opponents knew what the bid meant.Really? Which authors are those? The paragraph you quote starts "A natural 1NT opening ..." so is not relevant if this is not a natural 1NT opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
campboy Posted July 26, 2010 Report Share Posted July 26, 2010 If it is natural they should not alert it. If it is not natural, they may not play it: the Orange Book only permits 1NT openings which are "natural" (level 2+), "strong and artificial" (level 3+), "intermediate and artificial" (level 4+, in this case a known suit of at least four cards is required) or "Stoker" (level 4+, showing a three-suited opening hand). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 26, 2010 Report Share Posted July 26, 2010 The passage I quoted above implies that a 1NT opening which shows a balanced hand but denies a 4-card heart or spade suit is "natural". Given that, it seems difficult to argue that a 1NT opening which shows a balanced hand but denies a 4-card diamond, heart or spade suit for part of its range is not "natural". On the other hand, the Orange Book also tells us that a "natural" 1NT bid isA bid of no trumps which shows a preparedness to play in no trumps, and which conveys no unusual information about suit holdingsIt seems to me that either "no four-card major" or "no four-card suit outside clubs" would constitute unusual information in this context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjj29 Posted July 26, 2010 Report Share Posted July 26, 2010 How ironic, given the most recent Laws and Ethics committee meeting just banned my system in all the tournaments that I play in I thought you played Strong Diamond. That is still allowed at Level 4, isn't it? A strong diamond with the majors showing the other major. Which is now not allowed at level 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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