mikeh Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 [hv=d=e&v=n&s=saq10xhdxcaqj1087xx]133|100|Scoring: IMPCompetent opps (expert LHO, solid rho). (P) 1♣ (x) 1♠ (3♦) 4♦ (5♦) P (P) to you...what call do you make, and why?[/hv] I understand you may not be overjoyed at the 4♦ call, and maybe one wouldn't open 1♣ if partner were a passed hand, but here you are. A/E please, as usual, hide answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 6♣ - I've already shown my ♠ values Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 agree with jillybean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 agree with Han :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 agree with Han :( Me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 This must be a common hand type. Last night in practice I had: ♠ AKQT♥ -♦ AKxxxxxx♣ K And the auction started 1♦ P 1♠ ... On the original problem I am not sure that I agree with Han. Unless partner's pass is forcing then we have three losers although I guess I shouldn't be as some might be covered by a finesse. If pass is forcing then I am much happier bidding more and perhaps am more worried about missing a grand - which could be very hard to bid with confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 Dealer: East Vul: None Scoring: IMP ♠ AQ10x ♥ [space] ♦ x ♣ AQJ1087xx Competent opps (expert LHO, solid rho). (P) 1♣ (x) 1♠ (3♦) 4♦ (5♦) P (P) to you...what call do you make, and why? I understand you may not be overjoyed at the 4♦ call, and maybe one wouldn't open 1♣ if partner were a passed hand, but here you are. A/E please, as usual, hide answers. 6c but as nonexpert I would bid 4h not 4d i rebid 8 card suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 This must be a common hand type. Last night in practice I had: ♠ AKQT♥ -♦ AKxxxxxx♣ K And the auction started 1♦ P 1♠ ... On the original problem I am not sure that I agree with Han. Unless partner's pass is forcing then we have three losers although I guess I shouldn't be as some might be covered by a finesse. If pass is forcing then I am much happier bidding more and perhaps am more worried about missing a grand - which could be very hard to bid with confidence. isn't 4♥ exclusion in this auction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 Interesting. Exclusion Kickup for spades; I will try that on partner next time, and hope she doesn't think I have something different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuroth Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 6♣ for me. Yes, I rate to lose a black king and a diamond more often than not, but if LHO bids 6♦ I'd like partner to know where I live so he can make an informed decision. Also, 5♦ might very well be making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuroth Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 On the original problem I am not sure that I agree with Han. Unless partner's pass is forcing then we have three losers although I guess I shouldn't be as some might be covered by a finesse. If pass is forcing then I am much happier bidding more and perhaps am more worried about missing a grand - which could be very hard to bid with confidence. Three? To have 3 losers, partner would have to have answering without either black king (or the ace of diamonds), and LHO would have to have enough to bid 3♦ without either black king. Sure, it's possible, but I don't see it as terribly likely. Isn't the goal of bidding to cater to the reasonable probabilities, not the longshots? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 Way to go vuroth! I do think 4D sets up a forcing pass by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoti Posted July 24, 2010 Report Share Posted July 24, 2010 This type of hand is why I like to play non-weak 3 level Maj & 4 level Minor openers. Simply asks P to bid game if he has anything significant to add. Implies void/singleton as present here & a slam response if he holds Key cards. Strongly preempts in any case. Ops probably don't want to play takeout dbl at 4 level even if he could without being mistaken for penalty. And if Op hands were swapped & they brave a blind 5D opener, my P gets a ton of info from that, & may still hold biddable cards for 6C, or 5S telling me to make a slam preference bid. Maybe I've had too much Goulash lately!? ;) :D In any case, the main point being I don't believe this situation could arise for me with that holding. If it did, it is quite difficult since neither P really has shape info except from ops bids. And it would depend on tournament situation what I bid. Do P & I need to stop ops from what I must see as probably good Game score in D, from seeing my own cards? If I need the cheapest sac try, losing the least imps in order to maintain tournament position, then 5S.(And maybe P will even surprise me with 6sp OC) From what I've Seen happen (rather than counting card score) even an undbl'd slam miss by -1 Vul, just costs too much in IMPs, and Kills us if Ops would have gone down at 5D anyway, or even our own side were scoring S or C Games at every other table,etc. If we are behind and need to Gain IMPs to place well, then I'd have to go with 6C. Even tho P never heard of my Spades. At the time he bid his 1sp he may have thought I was opening short clubs with balance, since op DBL instead of overcall, suggesting He was balanced too. So maybe P has 4414~! My slam try has to be in clubs. And he's either got em or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted July 24, 2010 Report Share Posted July 24, 2010 What's wrong with 5♥? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted July 26, 2010 Report Share Posted July 26, 2010 Agree with Hanoi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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