jillybean Posted July 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 It occurred to me that gnasher probably already plays, or advocates, transfers....and, on reflection, transfers are clearly better, imo, than the lebensohl-like ideas I suggested. 2N clubs, limit or better....if they bounce, double shows the gf hand, with no clear direction. What does the auction look like "if they bounce" ?, who/what bounces, I have no idea what this means. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 It occurred to me that gnasher probably already plays, or advocates, transfers....and, on reflection, transfers are clearly better, imo, than the lebensohl-like ideas I suggested. 2N clubs, limit or better....if they bounce, double shows the gf hand, with no clear direction. What does the auction look like "if they bounce" ?, who/what bounces, I have no idea what this means. :) bounce=preempt: so, if you were to bid 2N, as either minor, for example, and LHO 'bounced' to 4♥, partner won't know which minor you hold...after all rho has one, and you have one...you may have a misfit or a great fit, and he won't know. If you can show your suit, as by a transfer, then he will know more about what to do if they 'bounce'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 Yeah, many pairs here play either lebensohl or inv+ transfers (then 2NT is clubs, 3♣ is diamonds, 3♦ is stopper ask gf and 3♥ is inv+ in spades). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 Yeah, many pairs here play either lebensohl or inv+ transfers (then 2NT is clubs, 3♣ is diamonds, 3♦ is stopper ask gf and 3♥ is inv+ in spades). I think 3♦ is more useful as another type of spade raise - eg 3-card instead of 4-card. What sort of hand wants to ask for a stopper anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 Yes, both Gnash and Josh got what I was saying. It is a choice to be able to get the suit in and the (weaker) strength in with the direct 3m bids. And with the stronger hands to get the strength (if that only) in. Also transfers, give 4th chair more tools (like them bidding your minor, whatever that means). I have just offered a different approach, which we happen to use at this time --- am not declaring whether it is better or not, but think it is worth consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 Australian Bruce Neill's Rubensohl is a handy gadget here. Basically it is a series of transfers, 2NT- 3C, 3C - 3D, 3D in this case a good raise in S, etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 Sounds like a handy gadget! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 See the May 1983 Bridgeworld. Some think that it is a Jeff Rubens invention, but that is incorrect. It was originally designed to cope with intervention over NTs and when the opps opened a weak 2 and partner doubled. Since then Bruce has developed it further. This hand is a good example of where it can be used, though I would prefer the Ds to be a little better.In Australia many big C players use it to cope with intervention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 strange to use 3D as a good raise in spades, since a cue of their only known suit is available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 strange to use 3D as a good raise in spades, since a cue of their only known suit is available. 3H would be GF values, no stopper in H. Mind you, like anything you can optimise these bids to suit yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 Yes, both Gnash and Josh got what I was saying. Just to be clear, I merely understood it. I wouldn't want anyone to think that I like the suggestion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 See the May 1983 Bridgeworld. Some think that it is a Jeff Rubens invention, but that is incorrect. It was originally designed to cope with intervention over NTs and when the opps opened a weak 2 and partner doubled. Since then Bruce has developed it further. This hand is a good example of where it can be used, though I would prefer the Ds to be a little better.In Australia many big C players use it to cope with intervention. So because Bruce Neil thought of using transfers in one situation, when someone else suggests playing them in a completely different auction, you're going to attribute the method to Neil? By the same argument, we could refer to this method as Jacoby or Texas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 Shut up Andy, the man is Australian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 Oh dear, oh dear Andy. NEILL originally developed it for use over 1NT and weak 2s and then NEILL developed it further. I should have thought that was obvious from my post. I guess not.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 Oh dear, oh dear Andy. NEILL originally developed it for use over 1NT and weak 2s and then NEILL developed it further. I should have thought that was obvious from my post. I guess not.... OK, so when did Bruce Neil first suggest playing transfers over an Michaels cue-bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 23, 2010 Report Share Posted July 23, 2010 Oh dear, oh dear Andy. NEILL originally developed it for use over 1NT and weak 2s and then NEILL developed it further. I should have thought that was obvious from my post. I guess not.... OK, so when did Bruce Neil first suggest playing transfers over an Michaels cue-bid? Why don't you email him and ask him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junyi_zhu Posted July 23, 2010 Report Share Posted July 23, 2010 [hv=d=n&v=n&s=sa7ha76dj85432c64]133|100|Scoring: IMP1♠ (2♠) ?[/hv] I've done it before and I've heard the stories of players waiting to enter the auction only to find themselves still waiting for their bid when the round ends.Is there ever a good time to wait, is this one of them? Easy pass. This hand is rather bad and you will often find the split will be bad too. Facing a minimum opener, the maximum I want to commit with this hand is 2S, which has been bid already. So, it is really an easy pass. The defensive potential is also excellent for this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 23, 2010 Report Share Posted July 23, 2010 Why don't you email him and ask him? Becuase I'm not the one who asserted Neil's authorship of this method. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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