idle curiosity

[gwnn]

what do you usually bid with a GF 2344 hand when partner opened 1♦? interested in every system but mostly with sayc style 1♦ openers (1NT=15-17, 1♦ can be 3 only if 4-4-3-2 exactly).

[hanp]

In my system: 2C GF relay.

 

Most systems including SAYC: 2D inverted.

[mikeh]

it depends.

 

inverted: easy 2♦

 

non-inverted, with both majors stopped, 2N....in partnerships in which 2N is fg...which is all my partnerships currently.

 

All else: 2♣

[MickyB]

3NT IMO

[aguahombre]

what do you usually bid with a GF 2344 hand when partner opened 1♦? interested in every system but mostly with sayc style 1♦ openers (1NT=15-17, 1♦ can be 3 only if 4-4-3-2 exactly).

Whatever suggests playing in 3NT opposite a normal opening bid. (Is 2NT forcing?)

If 2NT is limited to an invite, is 2D inverted? Even playing standard, there have to be agreements in order to proceed.

 

If 2D is not inverted, and 3D is not forcing, then an immediate GF NT bid is the only real answer. I think responding 2C/1D will just tangle things up (2C is not GF in standard, either -- So we might end up not knowing either size or shape.

[karlson]

I show diamonds. I like using 2M as a diamond raise, but 2d inverted playing "standard".

[jjbrr]

2♣ f1

[Bbradley62]

3N with <16 HCP, 2♦ otherwise.

[pooltuna]

2NT

[awm]

Depends on the hand.

 

If it looks notrumpy (i.e. major suit cards, some desire to play from my side) then 2NT forcing (if minimum) or 3NT (16-18).

 

If it appears better for partner to declare 3NT, then 2♦ (inverted) or even 2♣ if the club suit is quite strong.

[JLOGIC]

3NT IMO

Haha...are you kidding (not a joke, can't tell)?

[Pict]

The one you know.

 

Inverted minor, then what? GF 2NT, then what? (Not many less than expert players know I think).

 

For that matter, three 3NT = 15-17 could be an informative bid.

[jdonn]

Obv depends on the honors. In some partnerships it might also depend what system I'm playing. For example 2NT gf is much more attractive than 3NT. Or sometimes we have a very good inverted minor structure so I think there is benefit in using it.

[MickyB]

3NT IMO

Haha...are you kidding (not a joke, can't tell)?

Who cares about minor fits anyway? Ok, yes, maybe I am kidding B)

[JLOGIC]

3NT IMO

Haha...are you kidding (not a joke, can't tell)?

Who cares about minor fits anyway? Ok, yes, maybe I am kidding B)

lol since it was you I knew you were kidding but just in case I didn't want to seem like I was being mean!

 

It is a good joke since 3N is the correct answer for the vast majority of people B)

[JLOGIC]

Btw to answer your question assuming I play inverted minors and 2N invitational, I would say 2D 99.5 %, 3N.5 %

 

Assuming I play inverted minors and 2N forcing then maybe 2D 75 %, 2N 25 % (just a guess).

 

Assuming I play something other than inverted minors and 2N forcing, maybe 2C 75 %, 2N 25%

 

Assuming I play something other than inverted minors and 2N inv, 2C 99.5%

[Cascade]

2NT forcing balanced with 4+ ♦s.

[nige1]

what do you usually bid with a GF 2344 hand when partner opened 1♦? interested in every system but mostly with sayc style 1♦ openers (1NT=15-17, 1♦ can be 3 only if 4-4-3-2 exactly).

IMO, with 4+♦, you should bid 2♦ (inverted) even if your other 4 card suit is a major.

[hanp]

Your inverted minor structure must be really. Care to share?

[nige1]

Your inverted minor structure must be really. Care to share?

Simple stuff e.g. after 1♦ - 2♦ - ??

• 2♥/2♠ (a major) = Natural 4+ cards F1.
  
• 3♣ (other minor) = Asking for stops (or big flat hand).
  
• 3♥/3♠/4♣ (jumps) = Splinters.
  
• 4♦ (four of minor) = Key card.
  
• 2N/3N/3♦/5♦ (other raises, notrump) = Natural NF.
  

[jdonn]

I actually think there is tons of merit in allowing 4 card majors into your inverted minor raises, though I only (in theory since no one plays it with me) do so on game forcing hands with 5+ support and exactly 4 in the major.

[MickyB]

I actually think there is tons of merit in allowing 4 card majors into your inverted minor raises, though I only (in theory since no one plays it with me) do so on game forcing hands with 5+ support and exactly 4 in the major.

Yup likewise. If they are about to bid many-somethings on your left you are much better of having shown some diamonds with your first call.

[hanp]

Maybe that's good but I think it requires some discussion. Say I open 1D, partner raises to 2D. Now I have 2-3-4-4 shape with 2 small spades and a 14-count, so I bid 2H. Partner raises to 3H, showing 4. Partner is aware that I don't have to have 4 hearts, but what do I bid? If I bid 3S, does that show a stopper, ask for a stopper, is a cuebid? What if this happens with spades, am I supposed to bid 3NT since I already denied spade values and make sure I wrongside diamonds, spades and notrumps?

 

If they opponents bid 3S next, are we really better of having shown 4 diamonds than having shown 4 hearts? If we are 4-4, I would rather show my major. If we have an unbalanced hadn with 5+ diamonds, ok it could be good then.

[Free]

Depends a lot on how strong I am, and where my honours are. My partner's 1♦ opening can contain 4♦-5♣ with 11-15HCP.

 

I can choose from:

2♣ GF (or BAL INV)

2♦ inverted

2NT 12+-15/19+ balanced

3NT 16-18 balanced

[mike777]

what do you usually bid with a GF 2344 hand when partner opened 1♦? interested in every system but mostly with sayc style 1♦ openers (1NT=15-17, 1♦ can be 3 only if 4-4-3-2 exactly).

ya...expect 3nt very often

 

other options are;

2c=nat and gf

3c=art and gf in d.

 

I dont play inverted