MP bid problem

[Rossoneri]

[hv=d=n&v=b&s=s98654ht876dcak65]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv]

 

Bidding goes:

1S-4D-4S-5D

P-P-?

 

Do you agree with 4S?

What do you bid now?

[billw55]

4♠ 100%.

 

Now it is a tough decision but I guess I double.

[whereagles]

Seems like an easy 5♠ to me... especially since pard passed (i.e. has no diamond wastage).

[JLOGIC]

4S then 5S, but who really knows

[pooltuna]

4♠ was IMO manadatory ;) and now I assume FP situation and try 5♠

[andy_h]

4♠, now 5♠. 5 trumps, an AK, and a void, slam might even be making but that's besides the point. I will take the push in fear that someone might have a void in spades and we can only take 4 tricks vs 5♦X. I really don't think this is a FP situation...we were under pressure to bid. Do we really want to concede a big penalty or defend 5♦X making if partner is forced to X with a weak NT and ♦Qx(x)? I don't think that I need to have this strong of a hand to bid 4♠.

[Siegmund]

5S now for me. Doesnt feel close. If partner can't X this I'm not going to.

 

Not a forcing pass situation, for me anyway, since 4S wasn't necessarily a game bid on strength.

[JLOGIC]

Not a forcing pass situation, for me anyway, since 4S wasn't necessarily a game bid on strength.

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[Fluffy]

my gues sis 5♠ also

[billw55]

A minority of one :)

 

I guess I'm just not that confident that 5♠ is making. Partner has done nothing to show a hand beyond an ordinary minimum, perhaps ♠KQTxx ♥AJx ♦x ♣Qxxx in which case three losers are almost certain. And that doesn't even consider the possibility of a wasted diamond honor, or that sometimes when 5♠ is making, 5♦x is -800.

[655321]

A minority of one  :)

 

I guess I'm just not that confident that 5♠ is making.  Partner has done nothing to show a hand beyond an ordinary minimum, perhaps ♠KQTxx ♥AJx ♦x ♣Qxxx in which case three losers are almost certain.  And that doesn't even consider the possibility of a wasted diamond honor, or that sometimes when 5♠ is making, 5♦x is -800.

I am a 5♠ bidder (the fifth spade, the diamond void, and partner not doubling 5♦), but I would never criticize double, you do have an Ace-King, partner has opened the bidding and you avoid bidding 5/5.

 

Having said that, I do believe you are dreaming if you think 800 is on the menu after partner didn't double 5♦.

[gwnn]

Double at matchpoints, 5S at imps.

[Rossoneri]

Thanks for all the replies.

 

At the table, I thought 5♠ was not a certainty to make. I probably forgot to mention that we were playing 4 card majors, 12-14NT. Given that partner might easily have only 4, and the fact that we do open quite light, I decided to take what looked more like a sure plus by doubling 5♦. I do quite agree that pass by partner should be forcing!

 

I will post up the full hands later when I get home.

[gnasher]

At the table, I thought 5♠ was not a certainty to make. I probably forgot to mention that we were playing 4 card majors, 12-14NT. Given that partner might easily have only 4, and the fact that we do open quite light, I decided to take what looked more like a sure plus by doubling 5♦.

If partner has only four spades, he has a strong notrump, on which he'd probably have doubled 5♦. Hence we can expect him to have five spades.

 

If your style is to open 1NT with a five-card major, you also know he hasn't got one of those. That should make you slightly more inclined to bid 5♠ than if you were playing 5-card majors and a strong notrump.

 

I do quite agree that pass by partner should be forcing!

The consensus appears to have been that pass should not be forcing. Personally I'm astonished that anyone might think it should be.

[MickyB]

While I agree that partner won't have a strong no-trump here, won't there be unbalanced hands that partner would double on playing five-card majors but would pass playing four-card majors?

 

Agree with pass being non-forcing.

[hanp]

If even JLOGIC plays it as NF, it should probably be NF. :P

[655321]

I do quite agree that pass by partner should be forcing!

Agree with whom?

[Rossoneri]

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For some reason, I made a mistake in my earlier post. I meant to say I agree that pass should be NF.

 

And at the table, being the muppet that I am, I led A♣ and made the only continuation to let opponents get out for -200. Not that it would have mattered as most other tables were in 4♠+1 or 5♠=.

[hanp]

Seems like any club or spade continuation would lead to -200.

 

I think it is standard to lead the king at the 5-level and for partner to give count. I know some even play Rusinov only at the 5-level.