Phil Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 Last board of a long day at the club. [hv=w=sa7xxxhaj9dajxcqj&e=sqhktxdkq9xxxcatx]266|100|[/hv] We bid: 1♦ - 1♠2♦ - 3N and made 7 on a heart lead. Maybe you don't like 3N. Fair enough. Can you concoct a reasonable auction to 6♦? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 3N is a huge LOL bid* *I only call it a bid since technically it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayin801 Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 1♦-1♠2♦-2♥ (catchall force, planning to show a GF with ♦ support)2NT-3♦ and now opener's hand is nice with controls in every suit of one sort or another3♥ cue and now responder is pumped with his extras and little wastage in spades. I think I'd drive to 6♦ from here. Maybe:.... 3♠4♣-4♦4♥ (1430 for me, 4NT if you prefer) - 4NT5♣-6♦ (Q, nothing else I haven't already shown) Basically, opener is happier after 3♦ and responder is happier after opener shows that he/she is happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 1♦-1♠2♦-2♥ (catchall force, planning to show a GF with ♦ support)2NT-3♦ and now opener's hand is nice with controls in every suit of one sort or another3♥ cue and now responder is pumped with his extras and little wastage in spades. I think I'd drive to 6♦ from here. Maybe:.... 3♠4♣-4♦4♥ (1430 for me, 4NT if you prefer) - 4NT5♣-6♦ (Q, nothing else I haven't already shown) Basically, opener is happier after 3♦ and responder is happier after opener shows that he/she is happy. Winner, up through 3H is automatic after that it shouldn't be too hard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 I like that auction too. And the jlogic quote is one of the all time great forums quotes. "Maybe you don't like 3NT" would also be a great quote if it had been meant as sarcasm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 Maybe you don't like 3N. Underbid! Whatever is forcing. I see 2♥ has been suggested above. I usually play a forcing 2NT on this auction. 1♦ 1♠2♦ 2NT*3♦ 3♥** shows a diamond fit since natural hearts will go through a natural 2♥ last round... again opener loves his hand now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 Maybe you don't like 3N. Underbid! Whatever is forcing. I see 2♥ has been suggested above. I usually play a forcing 2NT on this auction. 1♦ 1♠2♦ 2NT*3♦ 3♥** shows a diamond fit since natural hearts will go through a natural 2♥ last round... again opener loves his hand now. Why would opener bid 3♦ on that auction instead of 3NT, has he not already shown 6 diamonds and he has scattered honors all over with the unbid suits well stopped? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 I am a big fan of 2N forcing. The way I play it it's always with a diamond fit, and never with 5 spades. Hands with 5 spades bid 2H. Playing that I would bid: 1D 1S2D 2N3S* 4H4N etc 3S=spade shortness4H=cue4N=keycard I think the natural auction works better though (2H 2N 3D 3H). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 Last board of a long day at the club. [hv=w=sa7xxxhaj9dajxcqj&e=sqhktxdkq9xxxcatx]266|100|[/hv] We bid: 1♦ - 1♠2♦ - 3N and made 7 on a heart lead. Maybe you don't like 3N. Fair enough. Can you concoct a reasonable auction to 6♦? no understand getting to 3nt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 3N is a huge LOL bid* *I only call it a bid since technically it is. I know, I made the 3N call. It deserves a LOL. My only excuse was it was the last board, and I wanted to get the hell out of there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 In fairness, that's the best possible excuse for that bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mich-b Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 1♦-1♠2♦-2♥ (catchall force, planning to show a GF with ♦ support) How do those who play this way (2♥ does not promiss ♥s) , sort out things when opener has 4♥s and raises? Would 3♣ in this auction be a "catchall" as well ? Do you tend to bid your better fragment? And if 2♥ is not GF , wouldn't opener bid 3NT with his maximum rather than presumably non forcing 2NT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 1♦-1♠2♦-2♥ (catchall force, planning to show a GF with ♦ support) How do those who play this way (2♥ does not promiss ♥s) , sort out things when opener has 4♥s and raises? Would 3♣ in this auction be a "catchall" as well ? Do you tend to bid your better fragment? And if 2♥ is not GF , wouldn't opener bid 3NT with his maximum rather than presumably non forcing 2NT? This and many other reasons is why 2H has to be a GF. I mean for the reason alone that partner has to bid 3H with a min or max with hearts (cant jump to 4 when 2H doesnt show hearts), and just the fact that jumping around is so bad... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 Maybe you don't like 3N. Underbid! Whatever is forcing. I see 2♥ has been suggested above. I usually play a forcing 2NT on this auction. 1♦ 1♠2♦ 2NT*3♦ 3♥** shows a diamond fit since natural hearts will go through a natural 2♥ last round... again opener loves his hand now. Why would opener bid 3♦ on that auction instead of 3NT, has he not already shown 6 diamonds and he has scattered honors all over with the unbid suits well stopped? That would be nice. After 1♦ 1♠ do you always rebid 1NT with 1=4=5=3? We have a problem and can't do that since our no trump rebid is strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 I am a big fan of 2N forcing. The way I play it it's always with a diamond fit, and never with 5 spades. Hands with 5 spades bid 2H. Playing that I would bid: 1D 1S2D 2N3S* 4H4N etc 3S=spade shortness4H=cue4N=keycard I think the natural auction works better though (2H 2N 3D 3H). We started off playing what we knew as Bourke Relays where the next step was forcing but didn't like giving up a natural suit bid. We found that giving up a natural invitational 2NT was much less of a problem. It is interesting having two artificial forces. Obviously each would be better than just having one. And maybe because of that it would be less inconvenient to give up a natural 2♥. Our forcing 2NT has three hand types: 1. Diamond support 2. Single Suited with spades (all two suited hands go through a natural forcing new suit) 3. Very strong balanced Our responses cater on showing a (good) six card suit or the level of support for responder's suit (especially if a major). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mich-b Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 1♦-1♠2♦-2♥ (catchall force, planning to show a GF with ♦ support) How do those who play this way (2♥ does not promiss ♥s) , sort out things when opener has 4♥s and raises? Would 3♣ in this auction be a "catchall" as well ? Do you tend to bid your better fragment? And if 2♥ is not GF , wouldn't opener bid 3NT with his maximum rather than presumably non forcing 2NT? This and many other reasons is why 2H has to be a GF. I mean for the reason alone that partner has to bid 3H with a min or max with hearts (cant jump to 4 when 2H doesnt show hearts), and just the fact that jumping around is so bad... If you play that 2♥ is GF , how do you handle hands with 5-4 majors and invitational strength? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 1♦-1♠2♦-2♥ (catchall force, planning to show a GF with ♦ support) How do those who play this way (2♥ does not promiss ♥s) , sort out things when opener has 4♥s and raises? Would 3♣ in this auction be a "catchall" as well ? Do you tend to bid your better fragment? And if 2♥ is not GF , wouldn't opener bid 3NT with his maximum rather than presumably non forcing 2NT? This and many other reasons is why 2H has to be a GF. I mean for the reason alone that partner has to bid 3H with a min or max with hearts (cant jump to 4 when 2H doesnt show hearts), and just the fact that jumping around is so bad... If you play that 2♥ is GF , how do you handle hands with 5-4 majors and invitational strength? @michb I play 1D p 2S shows 5S and 4-5H invitational. @cascade I play 1D p 2H shows 5S and 4-5H less than invitational, so I don't need 2H as natural non forcing. I think those bids solve a ton of problems such as helping on 3rd suit auctions etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 I am a big fan of 2N forcing. The way I play it it's always with a diamond fit, and never with 5 spades. Hands with 5 spades bid 2H. Playing that I would bid: 1D 1S2D 2N So on this hand you don't have five spades? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 If you play that 2♥ is GF , how do you handle hands with 5-4 majors and invitational strength? Force to game and see if it makes. The auction doesn't always go 1♦-1♠;2♦, and after any other start you'll be able to show invitational values. I'd rather have this minor inaccuracy than lose one of my ways to show a one-suiter in a major. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 I am a big fan of 2N forcing. The way I play it it's always with a diamond fit, and never with 5 spades. Hands with 5 spades bid 2H. Playing that I would bid: 1D 1S2D 2N So on this hand you don't have five spades? It doesn't look like it :) It could be right to play 4S I guess if partner has something like Qxx KQ KQxxxx xx, but it seems more likely that we should just play 3N or a diamond slam at MP with so many HCP and a (hopefully) running 6 card suit and such bad spades. Partner with good spades would raise to 2S usually, and with bad spades they must have stuff in the round suits. Anyways, certainly that approach seems better than just bidding 3N as was done in the OP since the hand has enormous potential for a D slam obv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 The auction doesn't always go 1♦-1♠;2♦, and after any other start you'll be able to show invitational values. 1D 1S 2C? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 i guess i can come up with a way to 6d but........forced 1nt(14-16)?=2h2s=4nt(quant)?6d? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 1♦-1♠2♦-2♥ (catchall force, planning to show a GF with ♦ support) How do those who play this way (2♥ does not promiss ♥s) , sort out things when opener has 4♥s and raises? Would 3♣ in this auction be a "catchall" as well ? Do you tend to bid your better fragment? And if 2♥ is not GF , wouldn't opener bid 3NT with his maximum rather than presumably non forcing 2NT? This and many other reasons is why 2H has to be a GF. I mean for the reason alone that partner has to bid 3H with a min or max with hearts (cant jump to 4 when 2H doesnt show hearts), and just the fact that jumping around is so bad... If you play that 2♥ is GF , how do you handle hands with 5-4 majors and invitational strength? I play the same 2♥ relay but invitational or better and with very different responses. We'd bid: 1♦-1♠2♦-2♥3N-4♦ etc If you have 5♠/4♥ invitational, this is what 1♦-1♠-2♦-2N shows as a hand that wants to bid a natural invitational 2N goes through the 2♥ relay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 I like 1NT 2NT t/f to Ds3D 3S s/ton. Now the NT hand looks good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 I like 1NT 2NT t/f to Ds3D 3S s/ton. Now the NT hand looks good. Ron i think the diamond hand is the dealer since the opening post had a 1♦ opening. The hand is from ACBL so they won't allow 1♦ = spades :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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