How many Spades?

[Hanoi5]

Red vs White, you get:

 

♠AT96532

♥654

♦

♣964

 

1♥-???

 

Let's suppose you pass:

 

1♥-Pa-1NT*-X

2♣-???

 

And finally:

 

1♥-Pa-1NT*-X

2♥-2♠-3♦-X

3♥-Pa-Pa-3♠

Pa-???

 

How many spades in each case?

[gnasher]

2, 3 and abstain.

[pooltuna]

Q1) 2♠ only at MP at IMPS I pass

Q2) 2♠ this is an unforced call

Q3) 4♠ partner should not be bidding on Swiss cheese

[Little Kid]

2♠ right away, problem solved :lol: Preempt wth preemptive hands.

[whereagles]

Would have bid 2♠ straight away. After pard doubles, it's an obvious 4♠...

[Siegmund]

2S now. 3S is forgiveable but risky against greedy opps.

 

I'd much rather bid now than later. Preempting after opps know their strength and distribution sorta misses the point.

[Siegmund]

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[Codo]

pass 4 Spade 4 Spade, but this scenario had been impossible of course...

[JLOGIC]

1S the first time, 4S the 2nd time.

[nigel_k]

2♠ WJO, otherwise 1♠ so the second round problem would never come up. It's a definite 4♠ bid though.

[cherdanno]

1S the first time, 4S the 2nd time.

Indeed. Pass on the first round I can understand, but 2♠ on the second round I really don't.

[JLOGIC]

I don't like 3S on the 2nd round either, partner will pass with a lot of hands where game is good especially since he probably only has 3 spades and we didn't overcall 1S.

 

Obv a lot depends on his club holding. If he has, say Kxx vs Axx that can swing 2 or 3 tricks sometimes. But sometimes they have to lead a club rather than a heart to capitalize, or underlead their heart the 2nd round. And if worst comes to worst and he has neither round suit ace it's possible we're going down in 3 anyways. I don't feel like partner will be able to evaluate well enough over 3, and will be overly worried about trumps.

[jdonn]

I don't understand the first pass, I prefer 1 2 and 3. If you don't think it makes it to 3 and you hate to bid 1 on such a weak hand then why not 2? I would abstain after the initial pass.

[JLOGIC]

I'll assume talks of bidding 3 are a joke.

 

If someone doesn't bid 2, presumably it's because they don't deem the hand good enough. This seems reasonable with 3 small hearts, but I think the 7 card suit combined with the T9 of spades makes this too conservative.

 

If someone doesn't bid 1 presumably it's because their style makes this unacceptable and they will get buried/their partner will double/or something.

 

If 1S was not an option I'd rank 2S>>>P>>>>>>>>>>>>>3S but I am happy to bid 1 so w/e. I think not bidding 2 is just a conservative view.

 

I could see how one could have a style/set of agreements where they pass, but the final result that you have to pass with this hand seems ridiculous.

[jdonn]

I also feel something like 1 > 2 >>> 3 but I definitely think 3 > P, even though it's obviously risky and too much to bid. I think what I have learned from this is I can't stand to pass on this hand!

[mich-b]

I bid 2♠ when I held this hand - in our style the 7th ♠ compensates for the general weakness , and the vulnerability.

Actually , partner who held ♠KQJx told me later he knew I held a 7 card suit, since I needed a 7th card to bid 2♠ with a weak suit at that vulnerability.

[Cascade]

I can't bid 2♠ the first time as we play intermediate jump overcalls.

 

1♠ is reasonable

 

I wouldn't bid 3♠ this weak

 

Maybe pass is possible.

[gwnn]

Let's suppose you pass:

this is quite defamatory. I died in a shock.

[gszeszycki]

♠AT96532

♥654

♦

♣964

1♥-???

 

Let's suppose you pass:

 

1♥-Pa-1NT*-X

2♣-???

 

And finally:

 

1♥-Pa-1NT*-X

2♥-2♠-3♦-X

3♥-Pa-Pa-3♠

Pa-???

 

How many spades in each case?

 

pass 2s pass

 

overcall 1s (r vs w) can do nothing except incite insanity in future partners (this one will leave you after seeing your "overcall")

I have much more sympathy for those that try the risky 2s than 1s.

 

2s having passed (thank gooodness) this 2s bid should not get p overly excited and

realize this bid is primarily based on length

 

pass I have a partner that felt doubling 3d was a better shot than inviting 3s

and their dia power is bad news opposite my void. I feel i would have to be lucky to make 3s at this point.

[dake50]

Having bet to sandbag my 7xS suit on opening round, bet that was winner. Go cheap!