JLOGIC Posted July 11, 2010 Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 During money bridge, people constantly leave mid hand if they realize you're gonna bid a game/slam. The current solution of 4 gibs playing out the hand is pretty bad, because presumably I can play better than gib, and it will be my hand when they leave mid hand, so it rewards them to leave in the middle of the hand and let gib play it rather than me. This is especially true when it's a slam hand mid auction.. I had 18 and my partner opened, I 2/1ed and my opp left. The result was -100, but I can't help but wonder had I been able to play out the hand would I stop short of slam, or would I be able to make it? Of course I understand that sometimes the defense is what matters and they hurt themselves by leaving, but on average the play and the bidding will be way more important, so they still gain. It seems like there should be some way to penalize these people, else they can constantly exploit the system like this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted July 11, 2010 Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 This might sound dumb, but couldn't the problem also exist of exploiting it the other way? Leaving during my own strong hands if I think I'm worse than gib? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted July 11, 2010 Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 Just make it so the leaver always gets the worst of it. E.g. if leaver would end up minus, according to GIB, leaver takes the hit, if leaver would end up gaining, the board is canceled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted July 11, 2010 Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 Get the GIBs to play it out twice and give the result more favourable to the player who stayed, perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted July 11, 2010 Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 Just make it so the leaver always gets the worst of it. E.g. if leaver would end up minus, according to GIB, leaver takes the hit, if leaver would end up gaining, the board is canceled. What if the leaver might end up -1430 if he doesn't leave, but ends up +100 according to GIB after leaving? Even if the +100 is canceled, the leaver has gained significantly by leaving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted July 11, 2010 Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 During money bridge, people constantly leave mid hand if they realize you're gonna bid a game/slam. The current solution of 4 gibs playing out the hand is pretty bad, because presumably I can play better than gib, and it will be my hand when they leave mid hand, so it rewards them to leave in the middle of the hand and let gib play it rather than me. This is especially true when it's a slam hand mid auction.. I had 18 and my partner opened, I 2/1ed and my opp left. The result was -100, but I can't help but wonder had I been able to play out the hand would I stop short of slam, or would I be able to make it? Of course I understand that sometimes the defense is what matters and they hurt themselves by leaving, but on average the play and the bidding will be way more important, so they still gain. It seems like there should be some way to penalize these people, else they can constantly exploit the system like this. Any action has to done with BBO's best interest in mind. Consequently the probable best solution is to show stats that include number of attempts, i.e. sit down to play and number of disconnects. This information should be sufficient to let the bad actors self identify but assumes your commitment to play means you accept the stats but can leave without penalty if you don't accept them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted July 11, 2010 Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 Why wouldn't the default be that a GIB replaces the departed player, but the remaining player finishes the hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted July 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 Why wouldn't the default be that a GIB replaces the departed player, but the remaining player finishes the hand? This seems sensible/fair to me. You don't want to punish people too badly since they might accidentally disconnect (has happened to me and probably everyone), but you don't want to let people cheat to gain an advantage. This approach seems like the best. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uday Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 This is a complicated issue ( to me ). I like some of these thoughts but not a whole lot more than I like what we do now. Showing more user stats is something we should be doing, I think. U Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 Why wouldn't the default be that a GIB replaces the departed player, but the remaining player finishes the hand? This seems sensible/fair to me. You don't want to punish people too badly since they might accidentally disconnect (has happened to me and probably everyone), but you don't want to let people cheat to gain an advantage. This approach seems like the best. Or maybe let the remaining player choose whether to finish the hand himself, or let GIB finish it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 That's not a bad idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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