jdonn Posted July 14, 2010 Report Share Posted July 14, 2010 I think on the honor system no notes should be allowed either, remembering is part of the system. But I'm also biased, not only do we not have notes but my partner has a perfect memory! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted July 14, 2010 Report Share Posted July 14, 2010 peachy/lg62 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted July 14, 2010 Report Share Posted July 14, 2010 My vote is for no system notes and no bbo CC card. Memory aids are not allowed at the table, neither should they be allowed online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted July 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2010 Public opinion wins out.. .No memory aids for pairs in the contest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted July 14, 2010 Report Share Posted July 14, 2010 I'm really looking forward to see how jdonn-gib performs! I can't bid the two weeks after the nationals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomi2 Posted July 14, 2010 Report Share Posted July 14, 2010 Tomi2-JHDW pls, Prussian Club wins! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted July 14, 2010 Report Share Posted July 14, 2010 I also support the idea of no notes and no convention cards. Perhaps at the table, there should be some time limit for bids as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted July 14, 2010 Report Share Posted July 14, 2010 cascade kermit want to participate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 Public opinion wins out.. .No memory aids for pairs in the contest. I'd like to request that memory aids be permitted: Free and I would like to give MOSCITO a whirl. We aren't playing in a serious partnership right now and I'm not fluent in his variant of the relay structures. I could certainly go out and invest a bunch of time, memorize the system, bid out these hands, and then put this all on the back shelf and forget it once again. In all seriousness, I have much better things to do with my time...I'll do this if necessary, but this is a massive imposition with very little "upside". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 I thought this was for fun, so digging up MOSCITO would fit the picture. If no memory aids are allowed, it's pretty useless we try MOSCITO as we both will have to learn the entire system again, and we both don't have the time for this. Richard and I express our request to allow memory aids. For everyone or only for us as an exception, whatever. But I ask you to reconsider this decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 I find banning memory aids a mistake, after all there is no way to control it. Sing up Fluffy-Codo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 This is for fun, no doubt, but it is definitely unfair if some people can use 'help' and some can't. By using memory aids, system notes, etc the pair would not be competing at the same level as everyone else, therefore I would not mind a pair using any aid of this type (notes, memory aids) as long as they do it without consulting each other or others and they have a handicap of 20% or 25%, i.e. if they get a 10 it would become an 8 or 7.5 for comparisons purposes. Of course most people would have to agree to this, especially Inquiry. Edit (after reading Fluffy's post): It is true cheating can't be 'checked'. But everyone knows it is not good, and a pair who takes too long to bid the hands (I believe 1 to 3 minutes should be enough) will begin to look suspicious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 I don't like the handicap idea, either allow notes or don't allow notes. I don't have strong feelings on the matter, but since Justin and I have no notes... I agree with gnasher and co, cheating won't be an issue. (pretty rare for a teacher to say this) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 4. The scoring will be by estimated international matchpoints, Does this mean IMPs ("International Match Points"), or what is commonly known as "matchpoints". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted July 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 4. The scoring will be by estimated international matchpoints, Does this mean IMPs ("International Match Points"), or what is commonly known as "matchpoints". Matchpoints... 1 point for every estimated pair your contract beats, 1/2 point for every pair you contract ties.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 4. The scoring will be by estimated international matchpoints, Does this mean IMPs ("International Match Points"), or what is commonly known as "matchpoints". Matchpoints... 1 point for every estimated pair your contract beats, 1/2 point for every pair you contract ties.... Will you be matchpointing against the other participants, or will you be assigning a score on a fixed scale? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 'Fixed' scale. It may be open to discussion but it won't be dependent on other participants results only. (Or maybe even). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 I would allow memory aids for the good reasons Richard, Frederick and Gonzalo posted.Yes, IF you play serious bridge, memory aids are not allowed. But this is a bidding contest, online, for fun with some not established partnerships. Whsy should we enforce these partnerships to memorize a system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 I thought this was for fun, so digging up MOSCITO would fit the picture. If no memory aids are allowed, it's pretty useless we try MOSCITO as we both will have to learn the entire system again, and we both don't have the time for this. Richard and I express our request to allow memory aids. For everyone or only for us as an exception, whatever. But I ask you to reconsider this decision. Any chance that we could get a decision on this? If memory aids are (definitely) not permitted, I suspect that we're going to drop out. Even if memory aides are permitted, I'm going to need to spend a lot of time/effort learning a new system variant and I'd prefer to know sooner rather than later. (Quite honestly, I suspect that this won't matter much... I don't expect that MOSCITO to score particularly well given the Conditions of Contest, but such is life) BTW, anyone want to set up a side bet regarding how many 5-5 hand types suitable for a MISERY preempt get seeded into the set of hands? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 I bet there will be fewer than I think you think. Ben will need so many hands, he would be crazy to cook up hands to advertise his own system interests. He'll probably use bridgebrowser in some clever way to search for interesting bidding problems. Once again, I have no problem with memory aids for those who are not willing or able to learn their own system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 I bet there will be fewer than I think you think. Maybe you think Richard is thinking way more hands than he's actually thinking about :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 I wonder how contracts will be scored.For example if you bid game which depends on first lead, what score will be assigned ? I find scoring hands in MP's instead of IMPs is very difficult. I wonder how it will work out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted July 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 I wonder how contracts will be scored.For example if you bid game which depends on first lead, what score will be assigned ? I find scoring hands in MP's instead of IMPs is very difficult. I wonder how it will work out. They are all scored Matchpoints. The actual NS hands you see when you bid are not imporrtant. Unlike a bidding contest where EW are given hands writtten on paper, using the program we HAVE to have 13 cards given to both north and south to the computer display the EW hands. Thus, when you finish bidding, you will "see" the NS hands (natural reaction) to see how you did. Don't do that. Look at your hands and ask yourself, is this the contract I want to be playing. The NS bidding will affect this decision of course. If your RHO opened, and they have only 11 hcp, you can assume all the hcp are with RHO and if that makes increases chances your contract will make great, by all means that will be taken into account. The scores will be (have been) assigned by me before the bidding began. I am sure that with 3 to 6 contracts getting scores that vary from a high of 11 or so to a low of 1 (other contracts not listed get a zero), there will be disagreement... I hope those take the form of useful discussions here in the forum rather than anger. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 Hmm so you can tell me our score now right ? :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 The scores will be (have been) assigned by me before the bidding began. I am sure that with 3 to 6 contracts getting scores that vary from a high of 11 or so to a low of 1 (other contracts not listed get a zero), there will be disagreement... I hope those take the form of useful discussions here in the forum rather than anger. :( Disputed results could be settled by playing the hand a few hundred times (double dummy or single dummy) and seeing how various contracts score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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